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PostPosted: 15:28 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Big bike insurance for a youngstr.. Reply with quote

Looking at getting a CBR600 - 2007, just looked at insurance, I either get quoted £1000 or £10,000 for a quote on compare the market, any tips? thanks Smile
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. is it an RR or an F? Probably RR from that quote?

Its unlikely if this is your first big bike to get anything less than that.
They actually made you an offer, which is a good start, but i'd be suprised if it was anything less than 4 figures.
perhaps consider a lesser performance bike for your first big bike, try the CBR600F- much more insurable

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*edit* take a look around the 'new bikers' section, there's plenty of info on first big bikes; options, specs, restriction help, insurance, etc. and it would save everyone repeating themselves in here again Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could easily be an F. I think Equity Red Star have pulled out of the bike business or raised their prices, and they were holding the market down.

I wouldn't get a 5 year old CBR as a first bike anyway. Get a cheap mid 90's one that you can afford to walk away from, go TPO, and consider insuring it as being in a locked garage chained to a shark with frikkin' laser beams. That will bring even a TPO quote down, and since you're only ever going to have a 3rd party claim (out on the road), it's vanishingly unlikely to be an issue.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Could easily be an F. I think Equity Red Star have pulled out of the bike business or raised their prices, and they were holding the market down.


2007 would be the last year of the CBR600F IIRC, however since his avatar is the RR I'll assume it's that.

Personally I can't see why you'd bother with that as your first bike with such astronomical insurance.

Get something a few years old. B1H ZX6R is still a riot by todays standards and can be picked up for far less.

Personally I'd advise against a sports 600 as a first bike and suggst you look at something like a Hornet/SV650 etc. to hone your skills a little more, but that's up to you.

Getting 2007 Supersports bike as a first bike just seems like a big waste of money to me, especially when you drop it, which you probably will as it's your first bike. Wink
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I think Equity Red Star have pulled out of the bike business or raised their prices, and they were holding the market down.


I think they've changed their name to Ramasis. I'm with them but all my Insurance docs are from 'Ramasis'.
I remember some sort of change, but I can't remember what exactly.

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PostPosted: 17:32 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pick unusual bikes that chavs kids don't normally ride. Things like GSXR750, daytona, bandit 12, VTR1000F can often be cheaper to insure than a sports 600 despite the bigger engine, probably because youths don't crash them as much.


As for a suitable bike for a new big bike rider, a 600RR probably isn't it, the bikes listed above probably aren't either. An older 600f or even a hornet, SV650, fazer would be better.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Big bike insurance for a youngstr.. Reply with quote

Bike_craze1 wrote:
Looking at getting a CBR600 - 2007, just looked at insurance, I either get quoted £1000 or £10,000 for a quote on compare the market, any tips? thanks Smile


Pick a different bike.

Not sure what you want us to say.

You can't lower the price that much off £1000 to make it worth it.

Look for a naked bike. You will find that they usually 1/3 of the price of a sports.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mredhead wrote:
1. is it an RR or an F? Probably RR from that quote?

Its unlikely if this is your first big bike to get anything less than that.
They actually made you an offer, which is a good start, but i'd be suprised if it was anything less than 4 figures.
perhaps consider a lesser performance bike for your first big bike, try the CBR600F- much more insurable

Mike

*edit* take a look around the 'new bikers' section, there's plenty of info on first big bikes; options, specs, restriction help, insurance, etc. and it would save everyone repeating themselves in here again Thumbs Up


To the OP:
No-one ever said this to you but its very easy to type f instead of rr. Typos like that are incredibly easy and are often made. Nobody's perfect and you cant be expected to be an exception when filling out insurance details Wink
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:
To the OP:
No-one ever said this to you but its very easy to type f instead of rr. Typos like that are incredibly easy and are often made. Nobody's perfect and you cant be expected to be an exception when filling out insurance details Wink


Because insurers don't ever cross-reference the registration number. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
TheBikerStig wrote:
To the OP:
No-one ever said this to you but its very easy to type f instead of rr. Typos like that are incredibly easy and are often made. Nobody's perfect and you cant be expected to be an exception when filling out insurance details Wink


Because insurers don't ever cross-reference the registration number. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 18:49 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
consider insuring it as being in a locked garage chained to a shark with frikkin' laser beams. That will bring even a TPO quote down, and since you're only ever going to have a 3rd party claim (out on the road), it's vanishingly unlikely to be an issue.


+1 Million

Im 18, insured my sv this way and it saved me about £150. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that's the bike you want and you can afford the insurance, go for it mate, I know I would have done for my first bike Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

£400 TPFT FZR600 1991

Thats with pillion cover and on the road.

Passed my restricted test earlier this month, although i do have 3 years no claims.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 31 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
since his avatar is the RR I'll assume it's that.

Ah, I have avatars turned off, random intardtubes spats are more fun if you don't know who you're arguing with half the time. Whistle

Big_Ham wrote:
Getting 2007 Supersports bike as a first bike just seems like a big waste of money to me, especially when you drop it, which you probably will as it's your first bike. Wink

Look on the bright side, he might put his head through a tree before he drops it. Thumbs UpVery HappyThumbs Up

mredhead wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
I think Equity Red Star have pulled out of the bike business or raised their prices, and they were holding the market down.


I think they've changed their name to Ramasis. I'm with them but all my Insurance docs are from 'Ramasis'.

Hmm, that makes sense if they're not offering any new bike policies as Equity. Lloyds caught them with their pants (and underwriting) down, and they've been put on the naughty step for a while.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will be much better insuring something like a SV650S/Bandit/Hornet/Fazer. These are MUCH better on insurance than a CBR600 whilst being just as fast and comfy.

There is nothing you can do really besides putting it in a locked garage/getting a tracker/doing IAM and such things as you are young trying to insure a bike which is well known for being sporty, fast and popular with people who like to use it's power a lot.

Shop around and get the best quote you can, but be prepared to pay for it if you don't want to try other bikes which are just as good like the ones I listed above. I guarantee you an SV650S you'll be able to insure for under £1000 easily.

Best of luck!
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Why do you think that the quotes are so high?

a) They are money grubbing bastards.
b) they think they can get away with it
c) they think that if you can afford a posey bike; you can afford it
d) they think that you are likely to cause them a big money claim

Tick as many answers as you think apply.

Bottom line is that the quote is high for ALL those reasons, and d) is favourite.

So taking the hint; apart from paying mega-money to Government sponsored racketeers... do you REALLY want a bike you are SO inordinately likely to CRASH... expensively?

Or.... as every-one believes or wants to believe, the insurance companies are 'wrong' and YOU have the skill, self control and attude to be 'sensible' and NOT crash?

If you persue such a bike, sorry, but no you dont. People that DO have the skill, attitude & self control to NOT crash so expensively, take the hint and buy 'sensible' bikes...... and DONT pay daft insurance on them.

Your life, your money, your choice.



It is my opinion that people should go for what ever they want. He will need to be restricted for a while anyway.
I also think insurance companies should have a legal price limit enforced on them for 3rd party insurance for those who have never made a claim. Make a claim and that limit goes out the window. Would make getting on the road in the 1st place reasonable and also carries a heavy deterrent for those who will want to make a claim. I got quoted £1500 for a f****ing fiesta for god sake! I would make more money on the dole than I would in work while having to pay for the transport.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 01 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, restricting the bike would make it even more pointless.
You'd never get the power that the CBR puts out, it simply wouldnt rev high enough.
Would be far more sensible in every way (and with no performance loss) to get an F or many of the other 'friendly' big bikes on the market.

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PostPosted: 16:01 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:

It is my opinion that people should go for what ever they want. He will need to be restricted for a while anyway.
I also think insurance companies should have a legal price limit enforced on them for 3rd party insurance for those who have never made a claim. Make a claim and that limit goes out the window. Would make getting on the road in the 1st place reasonable and also carries a heavy deterrent for those who will want to make a claim. I got quoted £1500 for a f****ing fiesta for god sake! I would make more money on the dole than I would in work while having to pay for the transport.

Not from what I see.

Look in his signature:

"Bike Test passed: 15/04/09"

By that measure he is no longer restricted as if he passed his A2 his restriction ended on 15/04/2011.

I may be wrong though. Smile.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

With TPO does it actually matter where the bikes parked overnight? As you'd never be able to claim for theft?

Been looking at insuring my bike at uni (Kingston) as at the moment its just left back at home (Lincoln) because the insurance is so much cheaper.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 02 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:
With TPO does it actually matter where the bikes parked overnight? As you'd never be able to claim for theft?

It does, or can do.

If your bike is stolen and involved in an accident, you as the insured owner are still liable in many cases.

Further, though... when trying to change Third Party Only insurance from one bike to another of the same model (old NSR and new NSR, same stats etc) that was 10 years newer (under a year old I think at the time) I was told initially that it would be an extra £200 on the £100 policy. They 'got that down' to only an extra £100.
It seems it goes through a few cut off points and they still count for third party only insurance, despite their being little logical reason - in the above example it seems more likely the older bike would be nicked for joy riding.
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