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PostPosted: 12:02 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Enemies Reply with quote

Kornholio,

The system is a bit off, in my humble opinion of course.

Fine having set people as enemies so it hides their posts, but to annahilate their karma and therefore inhibit their posting ability is a bit off. Now as the system stands, a few people with a vendetta can virtually cripple someone's account.

Take Covdude, for example, some people clearly don't like his posts, they set him as enemy, they can't see his posts. Job done. But as it stands, it gets him banned meaning (in theory) he can no longer post meaning the people who do like his posts are can no longer see them.

Another example but to a lesser extent is Dragonfly - a few people have her down as an enemy and her karma all but disappeared, a few more and it would be well down in the red. I'm willing to bet most people actually like her posts but a few people have got it in for her.

So tl:dr

If someone sets someone as an enemy make their posts to that person hidden, don't whack their karma.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean there are people that do like covdudes posts. Razz Laughing

Don't really see why people would set DF to enemy based soley on the strength of her posts. Thinking

Why not just decrease the karma hit rather than dropping it altogether.

Surely if enough people set a user to enemy then it's right that they should be banned, and is self moderation at work?

(Not sure what the threshold is at the moment for a ban)
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cov dude, as much as I try to remain neutral, posts utter shite and appears to be a dick.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I don't think they should be banned, if someone sets someone to enemy it hides their posts to that person, problem solved.

For instance, say you annoyed someone and they set you to enemy, then a few more people jumped on the bandwagon and you got banned, would you consider that fair?
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Re: Enemies Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Kornholio,

The system is a bit off, in my humble opinion of course.

Fine having set people as enemies so it hides their posts, but to annahilate their karma and therefore inhibit their posting ability is a bit off. Now as the system stands, a few people with a vendetta can virtually cripple someone's account.

Take Covdude, for example, some people clearly don't like his posts, they set him as enemy, they can't see his posts. Job done. But as it stands, it gets him banned meaning (in theory) he can no longer post meaning the people who do like his posts are can no longer see them.

Another example but to a lesser extent is Dragonfly - a few people have her down as an enemy and her karma all but disappeared, a few more and it would be well down in the red. I'm willing to bet most people actually like her posts but a few people have got it in for her.

So tl:dr

If someone sets someone as an enemy make their posts to that person hidden, don't whack their karma.


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PostPosted: 12:12 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cov dude, as much as I try to remain neutral, posts utter shite and appears to be a dick.


That's as maybe, set him to enemy and you no longer see his posts, surely that's the problem solved?

I find his posts entertaining and wouldn't like to see him banned. I may not agree with him but isn't that one of the good things about a forum - different points of view?

It's like saying just because we disagree with you, you're banned.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You mean there are people that do like covdudes posts. Razz Laughing

Don't really see why people would set DF to enemy based soley on the strength of her posts. Thinking

Why not just decrease the karma hit rather than dropping it altogether.

Surely if enough people set a user to enemy then it's right that they should be banned, and is self moderation at work?

(Not sure what the threshold is at the moment for a ban)


What purpose does such a ban serve, if by setting them as enemy you are no longer troubled by their posts?

I'll tell you what purpose is served...spite and vindictiveness.

Ugly and unbecoming.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:


That's as maybe, set him to enemy and you no longer see his posts, surely that's the problem solved?

I find his posts entertaining and wouldn't like to see him banned. I may not agree with him but isn't that one of the good things about a forum - different points of view?

It's like saying just because we disagree with you, you're banned.


It is sorted to me yes, but if enough people set them to enemy then surely that's representative of the fact that the person is no longer welcome on the forum?

I guess that all depends on people using the Enemy rating correctly, rather than using it to be vindictive.

I wouldn't set someone to enemy because I disagreed with what they had to say. More if they continually posted crap. That's just my opinion though.

I may disagree with some stuff that yourself or Hetz posted, but I wouldn't set you as enemy because there's logic behind it.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:

For instance, say you annoyed someone and they set you to enemy, then a few more people jumped on the bandwagon and you got banned, would you consider that fair?


Then that's the rating not being used correctly, which is a separate issue.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
What purpose does such a ban serve, if by setting them as enemy you are no longer troubled by their posts?

I'll tell you what purpose is served...spite and vindictiveness.

Ugly and unbecoming.


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Then that's the rating not being used correctly, which is a separate issue.


It's not a rating and can't be revoked by a mod.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:

It is sorted to me yes, but if enough people set them to enemy then surely that's representative of the fact that the person is no longer welcome on the forum?



Hardly. Try the number of members who set him as enemy vs the number who didn't. Democracy in action? Puh. If political parties were voted into power under such a system we'd have the BNP in right now.

Undue power is given to a tiny mob and, as Joe says, it's wrong.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:

Hardly. Try the number of members who set him as enemy vs the number who didn't. Democracy in action? Puh. If political parties were voted into power under such a system we'd have the BNP in right now.

Undue power is given to a tiny mob and, as Joe says, it's wrong.


Hence I said above perhaps it's worth changing the number of people setting them to enemy in order for them to be banned.

As based on your logic if the entire forum set them to enemy then they still wouldn't be banned.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

But why ban them at all? The person with the problem can no longer see their posts?!?
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then that's the rating not being used correctly, which is a separate issue.


It's not a rating and can't be revoked by a mod.


Well the enemy system then. The fact remains it isn't being used properly.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well the enemy system then. The fact remains it isn't being used properly.


It's being abused because it's flawed.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
But why ban them at all? The person with the problem can no longer see their posts?!?


Self moderation. If the whole forum doesn't want them there then why should they be allowed to stay?
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
But why ban them at all? The person with the problem can no longer see their posts?!?


This. ^

It's simple logic. A ban would serve to remove a troublesome person from the view of those who didn't want to see him any longer. Er...the enemy system already achieves that, so what further purpose does a ban serve? Absolutely the square root of SFA.
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Hetzer wrote:
Joe wrote:
But why ban them at all? The person with the problem can no longer see their posts?!?


This. ^

It's simple logic. A ban would serve to remove a troublesome person from the view of those who didn't want to see him any longer. Er...the enemy system already achieves that, so what further purpose does a ban serve? Absolutely the square root of SFA.


But the equally simple counter logic is that if no one wants them here, why should they stay?
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Joe wrote:
But why ban them at all? The person with the problem can no longer see their posts?!?


Self moderation. If the whole forum doesn't want them there then why should they be allowed to stay?


The whole forum?! We've gone from a handful of members to the whole forum now?

But let's suppose it was the whole forum...if nobody could see him anymore, by setting him as enemy, he'd naff orf anyway when he realised he was talking to a vacuum. Self-banning in effect.

I don't want him banned and I resent that a handful of members can effectively dictate to me who I can and cannot hear from by way of their posts. How about that?
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Self moderation. If the whole forum doesn't want them there then why should they be allowed to stay?


But it's not the whole forum is it? it's a few people from a large group of people.

It's unnecessary, people don't need to 'be protected' by others, they can make that choice for themselves by choosing to set enemies and hide posts.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:

But the equally simple counter logic is that if no one wants them here, why should they stay?


No one? Don't include me please.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just make setting someone to enemy damage the person who does it's karma as well.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
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Self moderation. If the whole forum doesn't want them there then why should they be allowed to stay?


But it's not the whole forum is it? it's a few people from a large group of people.

It's unnecessary, people don't need to 'be protected' by others, they can make that choice for themselves by choosing to set enemies and hide posts.


Hence why I said perhaps the amount of people requiring a ban needs to be looked at.

Anyone else get the impression we've just gone around in circles for the past 20 minutes and got nowhere? Razz
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:

But the equally simple counter logic is that if no one wants them here, why should they stay?


No one? Don't include me please.


I'm only being hypothetical. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 14 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:

Anyone else get the impression we've just gone around in circles for the past 20 minutes and got nowhere? Razz


No. You still haven't explained why somebody should be banned if those who don't want to see him can't see him anyway. Clarify the purpose of it.
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