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PostPosted: 18:28 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: lol First Off... Reply with quote

Yep. Piss.

Right on my way back from work, moist roads are a new experience to me, was going around an unmarked lane roundabout, dont think i was going particularly fast but bam, on my side i was, thankfully everyone stopped and was like you ok you ok?

All i saw was sparks and my bike scrape the ground witha big NERRRRRRRR -death-

Thanksfully it started straight back up

Only damage seems to be the front brake lever is bent to fuck and the exhaust has come away from the metal bracket type cover thing thats on it

It had made me a bit prang about my bike though, the tyres have plenty of tread so i dont see how i went wrong other than my own mistake, but ive done that route every day and been fine... Must have been the moist..

Is it worth getting it serviced just in case and how much does that cost?
I havent had it serviced since i got it (only been a few weeks) and did come with 12 month MOT, but that was from the dealer themself so you know... they might have jsut pushed it straight through

I guess i'm a real biker now Thumbs Up

My cotton crap gloves - the thumb of them completely tore off and all torn up from the ground impact

My new trousers from the giveaway thread - fucking ace, got them yesterday and already they've saved my knees MASSIVE THANKS.

Need new gloves and a new lease of courage.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome the people stopped to help you and that there is no serious damage by the sounds of it.

Could have been some diesel on the roads? the recent crappy weather has brought a lot of crap to the surface of the tarmac and can make it quite greasy, sounds like you just got a bit unlucky.

Definitely by some decent gloves though - leather or a synthetic equivalent like codura, can save a lot of incredibly painful treatment if you have a high speed off!

Hope you get everything fixed up soon!
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get back on the bike as soon as you can, otherwise you may build a mental block and "get scared" of riding.

You sure you didn't ride over a patch of oil/diesel or something? Can't see why moist would have done that to your bike, especially with good tyres.

I've come off of my bike 3 times now. One was the day after I bought it; got fixated on a kerb and went straight in to it round a corner. Was about 20mph I would say I hit it at (was in a national speed limit zone). Got the bike home in the end and just had to fix my indicator and bend the gear lever back in to place. That was back in April - passed its MOT easily in November after fitting new tyres, even with a broken fairing bracket Shocked

The other two were a week or two ago. I thought I could manage riding in the snow/ice that we had. I got about half a mile from home and reached a really bad patch. I was going slowly and dragging my feet but I just didn't manage it. Came off half a mile from home. Picked it back up on my own (which is surprisingly difficult when it slides away from you thanks to the ice) and carried on riding, then came off again another 20 meters down the road. Laughing At that point I gave up and pushed it back home.

Bike's been fine since then Thumbs Up

New brake lever shouldn't cost too much from eBay. So long as the ball at the end hasn't come off the end then I think it's still an MOT pass anyway.

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PostPosted: 19:09 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Get back on the bike as soon as you can, otherwise you may build a mental block and "get scared" of riding.

You sure you didn't ride over a patch of oil/diesel or something? Can't see why moist would have done that to your bike, especially with good tyres.

I've come off of my bike 3 times now. One was the day after I bought it; got fixated on a kerb and went straight in to it round a corner. Was about 20mph I would say I hit it at (was in a national speed limit zone). Got the bike home in the end and just had to fix my indicator and bend the gear lever back in to place. That was back in April - passed its MOT easily in November after fitting new tyres, even with a broken fairing bracket Shocked

The other two were a week or two ago. I thought I could manage riding in the snow/ice that we had. I got about half a mile from home and reached a really bad patch. I was going slowly and dragging my feet but I just didn't manage it. Came off half a mile from home. Picked it back up on my own (which is surprisingly difficult when it slides away from you thanks to the ice) and carried on riding, then came off again another 20 meters down the road. Laughing At that point I gave up and pushed it back home.

Bike's been fine since then Thumbs Up

New brake lever shouldn't cost too much from eBay. So long as the ball at the end hasn't come off the end then I think it's still an MOT pass anyway.

Pics? Wink


Nah, i'm too much of a tough guy for that, I rode it home after all, just took it easy because my front brake lever is utterly unergonomic now, i was surprised really, didnt even give me an adrenaline rush, jsut was like lolwat NUUUU
Yet i'll get an adrenaline rush from imagining a confrontation with someone, magic.

And yeah man, i hear you about the snow/icesludge, actual snow has some grip to it usually but in my work loafers and on trampled ice snow, just movign my bike at all made me slide about the place and land on my arse

Was weird though, maybe i was going too fast, or accidentally braked or something, but i dont know Confused

Gonna take it easy around corners and shit now though, i'm not really sure of its limits is the thing... I mean how fast would you take a 90 degree turn? How about a u-turn?

Pulling into my house is difficult as i have to sort of U'y around a grass verge thing, always end up into the other lane from the wide exit...lol

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PostPosted: 19:31 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Near where I live, there's a mini-roundabout right next to a petrol station and opposite a caravan sales pitch - always a good place to find oil and diesel spills.

I try to keep the bike as upright as possible going around that one, mainly using the handlebars to steer, and taking it slow.

I can usually get full-lock on the handlebars when using the same technique for 'U' turns, keeping the speed to about 10mph.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You better not have wrecked my trousers Laughing

Glad they helped, unlucky with the off Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad your ok plus bike - but seriously, cotton gloves??
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

janner_10 wrote:
Glad your ok plus bike - but seriously, cotton gloves??


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I'll be more areful in ze future

need to bend my brake lever back D;
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I myself nearly came off today, the front slid out on a corner going into the supermarket car park. Luckily it seemed to catch grip and no ill fate became of me.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Front brake maybe? Or diesel as the others have said.

Glad your not hurt mate, get right back on the horse Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Front brake maybe? Or diesel as the others have said.

Glad your not hurt mate, get right back on the horse Thumbs Up


Nah man, was turning round a roundabout, dont keep ym fingers on the front brake for that reason, bad practice Thumbs Up Shocked Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 02:44 - 18 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could have been 101 things. Diesel. Some gravel. Even a few wet leaves. Hit it just wrong and you're gonna go.

Glad you're okay bud. Take it easy though and take your time. No one's making you rush and I'd be surprised if you didn't get a lurch in your stomach for a while.

I had my first 'real' off about a week after switching to my YBR. Rain, sharp corner, a billion manholes, potholes and gravel. Dodged a pothole, hit a manhole and almost went under a bus.

That was nearly 10 months ago. And I still get a little flutter when I go round it.

As for the brake handle, if it's just the lever that's bent, you can usually get them for a few quid. If they're anything like a clutch lever they're nice and easy to replace too. And that's coming from a complete mechanical noob Razz If you're not sure though, I'm sure you can find someone here close enough to you willing to come and give it a look over.

Glad ya doin' all right, dude!

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PostPosted: 22:44 - 18 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
dont keep my fingers on the front brake for that reason
I do, it just helps me feel that extra bit of control. Each to their own sometimes I guess. Smile
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My back end kicked out trundling into a car park in the rain this afternoon, nothing wrong with the tarmac, I put it down to my new rear tyre still being a bit shiny around the edges.
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PostPosted: 03:49 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to her your ok mate and not too much damage to the bike. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really annoys me that people glory in having an 'off'. There's this attitude that you have to have one, it's some sort of rite of passage and you are somehow all the better for it. It doesn't make you a real biker, it make you a failed biker. It's your own fault if you come off (unless you're rear ended or similar) in 99% of cases.

I'm not saying that we all don't make mistakes when riding, we do, and luckily get away with them most of the time, but let's recognize that is what they are and not boast about them.

I'm pleased you survived your 'off' with little or no damage but learn from it and try and make it the last one you have.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

parkmoy wrote:
It really annoys me that people glory in having an 'off'. There's this attitude that you have to have one, it's some sort of rite of passage and you are somehow all the better for it. It doesn't make you a real biker, it make you a failed biker. It's your own fault if you come off (unless you're rear ended or similar) in 99% of cases.

I'm not saying that we all don't make mistakes when riding, we do, and luckily get away with them most of the time, but let's recognize that is what they are and not boast about them.

I'm pleased you survived your 'off' with little or no damage but learn from it and try and make it the last one you have.



In my opinion, it's not so much a right of passage, but a constant obsession that it's a possibility and the first is aways in your mind. "i might have come off there", "that was close". How many occasions does ittake untilyou can go a week with where no eventful driving has almost taken you with fate. Except it's not fate, because how the rider chooses to react makes all the difference.

Eventually though, a young rider constantly tempts fate by taking the bike to it's limits, and one might pass that limit and end up crashing. That rider doesn't take it to the limit any more. Lesson learnt.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

parkmoy wrote:
It really annoys me that people glory in having an 'off'. There's this attitude that you have to have one, it's some sort of rite of passage and you are somehow all the better for it. It doesn't make you a real biker, it make you a failed biker. It's your own fault if you come off (unless you're rear ended or similar) in 99% of cases.

I'm not saying that we all don't make mistakes when riding, we do, and luckily get away with them most of the time, but let's recognize that is what they are and not boast about them.

I'm pleased you survived your 'off' with little or no damage but learn from it and try and make it the last one you have.


It's not really a pride thing but an experience thing, if you've not experienced an 'off' then it can play on your mind one way or another, for me it was probably over confidence rather than worry

Took my bike around my town a bit yesterday to make sure it all feels ok and bent the brake lever back, all seems ok but the body work (fairing?) is cracked Thumbs Down

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Edit: What the guy above said Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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parkmoy wrote:
It really annoys me that people glory in having an 'off'. There's this attitude that you have to have one, it's some sort of rite of passage and you are somehow all the better for it. It doesn't make you a real biker, it make you a failed biker. It's your own fault if you come off (unless you're rear ended or similar) in 99% of cases.

I'm not saying that we all don't make mistakes when riding, we do, and luckily get away with them most of the time, but let's recognize that is what they are and not boast about them.

I'm pleased you survived your 'off' with little or no damage but learn from it and try and make it the last one you have.


It's not really a pride thing but an experience thing, if you've not experienced an 'off' then it can play on your mind one way or another, for me it was probably over confidence rather than worry

Took my bike around my town a bit yesterday to make sure it all feels ok and bent the brake lever back, all seems ok but the body work (fairing?) is cracked Thumbs Down

Know your limits Thumbs Up Neutral

Edit: What the guy above said Thumbs Up


I would have thought the opposite was true. Having once come off, (and according to you, not knowing why), won't it play on your mind even more? Also, getting away with it lightly, don't you then worry that it might be more serious 'next time'? You did entitle your post 'first' off so that must mean you're expecting more?

We're not talking race tracks here where riders push the envelope and accept that they may come off. As you rightly say, 'Know your limits' and get some advanced training to help you recognize where they are.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would have thought the opposite was true. Having once come off, (and according to you, not knowing why), won't it play on your mind even more? Also, getting away with it lightly, don't you then worry that it might be more serious 'next time'? You did entitle your post 'first' off so that must mean you're expecting more?

We're not talking race tracks here where riders push the envelope and accept that they may come off. As you rightly say, 'Know your limits' and get some advanced training to help you recognize where they are.


No, you fall down and you get back up. You're saying "Yes, I've fallen off, but I'm getting back on the bike and carrying on." Riding a motorbike is a constant learning curve, like when you first rode your bicycle - I bet you fell off that as a kid.

And it does not mean "expecting more", it means that OP has come off of the bike for the first time. If you said to me "I just got my first speeding ticket", I wouldn't reply "Oh, are you expecting to get some more then?" If you said to me "I just had my first bike crash", I wouldn't reply "When's your next one?"

parkmov wrote:
It really annoys me that people glory in having an 'off'. There's this attitude that you have to have one, it's some sort of rite of passage and you are somehow all the better for it. It doesn't make you a real biker, it make you a failed biker. It's your own fault if you come off (unless you're rear ended or similar) in 99% of cases.


Actually, I would almost go as far to say that it is a right of passage. It shows that yes, you're making mistakes and you have came off of the bike, but it also shows that you're not going to let it get in the way, that you're going to get back up, you're going to learn from your mistakes and you're not going to let it happen again.

For that exact reason, I think it makes you the opposite of a failed biker. It shows the right attitude and determination. Unless OP is suddenly going to go "oh sod this, I fell off, I'm giving up biking" then they are not a failed biker. A failed biker would be someone that gives up or is not ready to learn from their mistakes.

You may have been riding a long time and you may not have had any accidents or fallings off yet, but I don't see why that should make you look down towards the riders that have done.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You may have been riding a long time and you may not have had any accidents or fallings off yet, but I don't see why that should make you look down towards the riders that have done.


Firstly I'm not looking down on riders who have had accidents, I'm questioning the attitude of bravado which, if you listen to some on the forums, is one of 'You can't ride a bike without having an off and you're not a proper biker until you do. If you haven't had one yet, you surely will do and you're a bit of a good lad when you get away with it'

I've not been riding a long time and no, I haven't had any accidents or fallings off yet, but if I do I know that almost certainly they will be down to me and I won't be proud of them.

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Actually, I would almost go as far to say that it is a right of passage. It shows that yes, you're making mistakes and you have came off of the bike, but it also shows that you're not going to let it get in the way, that you're going to get back up, you're going to learn from your mistakes and you're not going to let it happen again.



Wikipedia defines a rite of passage as 'A rite of passage is a ritual event that marks a person's progress from one status to another.' An 'off' is hardly (or shouldn't be) a ritual event and it doesn't mark progress IMO. One of the main objects of biking is surely to stay on the bike and if I don't I will regard myself as a failed biker - at that time. That doesn't mean I wouldn't get back on and try and improve. Of course I would.

I have driven a car for many years and never expected to have an accident or thought one was inevitable at some time or other. I've had two - one I failed to recognize the presence of black ice on the road and the other I was reversing a large van and didn't see someone behind who decided to overtake me. Both these were my fault and I learned from them. Both were pre internet but even if they hadn't been I wouldn't want to go on a car forum and post a message 'LOL first accident'.

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And it does not mean "expecting more", it means that OP has come off of the bike for the first time. If you said to me "I just got my first speeding ticket", I wouldn't reply "Oh, are you expecting to get some more then?" If you said to me "I just had my first bike crash", I wouldn't reply "When's your next one?"


On re-reading I agree with you, I interpreted it one way but yours is the more likely interpretation.[/quote]
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

parkmoy wrote:
Firstly I'm not looking down on riders who have had accidents, I'm questioning the attitude of bravado which, if you listen to some on the forums, is one of 'You can't ride a bike without having an off and you're not a proper biker until you do. If you haven't had one yet, you surely will do and you're a bit of a good lad when you get away with it'


I'm not saying that you're not a proper biker if you've not come off; it's more of a "joke" really, like when a failed test was merely a practice run. Maybe the sense of community too "Ahh we've all had an off, you're one of us now! Wink" It's not exactly a target that you have to fall off.

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I've not been riding a long time and no, I haven't had any accidents or fallings off yet, but if I do I know that almost certainly they will be down to me and I won't be proud of them.


I'm ashamed of my first of. I rode straight in to kerb on a roundabout in perfect weather with virtually no traffic around. The kerb was the outside kerb, I essentially didn't turn at all. But I think part of learning from your mistakes is being able to hold your hands up and say "I did something wrong, can anyone help me see what?" After this I did quite a bit of research and found out about target fixation and looked towards ways to combat it and how to improve riding in general, etc.

parkmoy wrote:
Wikipedia defines a rite of passage as 'A rite of passage is a ritual event that marks a person's progress from one status to another.' An 'off' is hardly (or shouldn't be) a ritual event and it doesn't mark progress IMO. One of the main objects of biking is surely to stay on the bike and if I don't I will regard myself as a failed biker - at that time. That doesn't mean I wouldn't get back on and try and improve. Of course I would.


My main object is to enjoy myself, nothing more and nothing less. The moment I stop enjoying biking I'll just get a car instead. As for the "right of passage" bit, I'll go with what I wrote above about the "you're one of us now". It's not a right of passage as to being a "real biker" but more to being a part of the group I would say. "Real Biker" is the term that just gets chucked with it.

But that's just my take on things - you're free the disagree.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 20 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically everything J.M has said Thumbs Up

Not much farther I can elaborate on that.
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Actually i'd say accepting at some point you will fuck up as an inevitability makes you all the more aware, rather than WOO IM THE BEST YOU CANT BEAT ME! ZOOOM CRASH FUCK


My attitude is positive and I don't particularly care if you disagree with that, I was sharing my experience as many others have done.

And it was still pretty lol to me
But most things are Wink
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Not much farther I can elaborate on that.
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Actually i'd say accepting at some point you will fuck up as an inevitability makes you all the more aware, rather than WOO IM THE BEST YOU CANT BEAT ME! ZOOOM CRASH FUCK


My attitude is positive and I don't particularly care if you disagree with that, I was sharing my experience as many others have done.

And it was still pretty lol to me
But most things are Wink


Good luck. I really hope you always stay 'one of the gang' who walks away from it.
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Not much farther I can elaborate on that.
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Actually i'd say accepting at some point you will fuck up as an inevitability makes you all the more aware, rather than WOO IM THE BEST YOU CANT BEAT ME! ZOOOM CRASH FUCK


My attitude is positive and I don't particularly care if you disagree with that, I was sharing my experience as many others have done.

And it was still pretty lol to me
But most things are Wink


Good luck. I really hope you always stay 'one of the gang' who walks away from it.


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I'll be fine. Did notice a lot of shit on the roads today, maybe this is the infamous diesel I hear so much about...

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