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I did my CBT the other day and have my theory booked 
My instructor on the CBT said I was one of the best he'd seen having never ridden a bike before, quite chuffed really
He said that since my goal was to get a licence and a big bike, maybe lessons followed by mod 1 etc would be an easier/cheaper/quicker way to achieve that.
My question is, should I buy a cheap 125 to practice on for a month or so, or just do some lessons? I really can't decide. Lessons are cheaper in the short term, but I know I can sell a 125 after with only 1 or 2 months insurance lost.
Thing is, bike and insurance is gonna set me back 800, and me and my mates are booking a holiday to malia this month... Whereas lessons would be £100 for a full day and I would only need one or two for each module....
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Malia is full of chav scum.
Bike is far better in the long run 
Grab a bike, do the mod 1 and 2, sorted 
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No offense to you but the instructor may have had extra shocking pupils I'd still do what paddy says more time to practice and cheaper resit if you fail any of the tests.
The bike would be my choice in your position no matter what the instructor said.
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The simple facts...
1. Malia will still be there next year.
2. Once you've spent the money on Malia, it will be gone, never to be seen again.
3. Bike tests will not be getting easier.
4. Bike tests will not be getting cheaper.
5. You will most likely be able to sell a decent used Jap 125 for close to what you paid for it.
Bit of a no brainer, really.
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Thanks for the replies.
Looks like I'll get a 125 then.
I have my eye on a Honda NSR 125 going for £800...looks tasty  |
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Assumption: you're under 21 and so will be doing the 'standard' test on your bike, which should be 121-125cc, capable of 100kph+ and no more then 11kW.
| WetAndCold wrote: | I have my eye on a Honda NSR 125 going for £800...looks tasty |
Looks great, then the top end will explode, you'll drop it and wreck the plastics, and be left with a "spares or repair" project worth about £200.
If you're planning to keep it after you pass, and are prepared to do the necessary work on it, then it might be ace.
As a bike to use to pass your tests, not so much. YBR, CG, CBF, EN 125, anything commuter-ish and sensible, just get the tests out of the way.
How much you spend is down to how soon you want the license. Mod 1 is a piece of pie, a morning spend tooling around a car park will get you the required skills. No training required.
Mod 2 is largely down to your roadcraft. If you're confident on the road and in traffic, it's easy. If you're new to this powered-vehicle lark, you could probably benefit from some training.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Assumption: you're under 21 and so will be doing the 'standard' test on your bike, which should be 121-125cc, capable of 100kph+ and no more then 11kW.
| WetAndCold wrote: | I have my eye on a Honda NSR 125 going for £800...looks tasty |
Looks great, then the top end will explode, you'll drop it and wreck the plastics, and be left with a "spares or repair" project worth about £200.
If you're planning to keep it after you pass, and are prepared to do the necessary work on it, then it might be ace.
As a bike to use to pass your tests, not so much. YBR, CG, CBF, EN 125, anything commuter-ish and sensible, just get the tests out of the way.
How much you spend is down to how soon you want the license. Mod 1 is a piece of pie, a morning spend tooling around a car park will get you the required skills. No training required.
Mod 2 is largely down to your roadcraft. If you're confident on the road and in traffic, it's easy. If you're new to this powered-vehicle lark, you could probably benefit from some training. |
I drive a car at least 200 miles a week, so hopefully my roadcraft is OK.
I know getting an NSR is stupid and makes no sense...but I'm an immature 17 year old and think it looks good...plus my mates would rip the living shit out of me riding on a commuter bike  My head knows I should get a cg125, but my hearts stopping me |
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| WetAndCold wrote: | I drive a car at least 200 miles a week, so hopefully my roadcraft is OK.
I know getting an NSR is stupid and makes no sense... but I'm an immature 17 year old and think it looks good...plus my mates would rip the living shit out of me riding on a commuter bike My head knows I should get a cg125, but my hearts stopping me |
What's important and what you 'see' from the saddle of a bike is very different to what you see and whats important from the seat of a car.
PREUMPTION is the Mother of all Fuck-Ups.
And PRESUMING you have a head-start riding bikes, worse passing bike tests JUST because you are a car driver, is a Granny. DONT bank on it. What you were tought to pass your car test was no where near as stringent as for passing your bike test; what you have 'learned' driving, oh... how many miles since you passed your car test? will if anything, be that you can get away with a LOT of sloppy road-craft in a car.
Being 17 your greatest advantage is ACTUALLY the fact that you have fuck-all experience and ought NOT yet completely succumbed into the complacency of having 'got away' with it all for fifteen or twenty years, hence must be a superlative road user that knows it all... USE THAT and go at it with an open mind PRESUMING you know fuck all, and being grateful of the insight when you find it from car driving.
Mali? Your mates will come back with stories of drunken antics and loads of unsafe sex with real 'hot-chicks'... they are all 'hot-chicks' when you are 17 and drunk.... but when you get home, IF any bother calling or respond to your call, when they turn up at the train station or walk into your local, you will wonder HOW the hell you ever came to even SPEAK to them, let alone sleep with them... or actually DID you sleep... or merely pass out?!?!?
Paying a lot of money to have a holiday you only half remember, with hind-sight wont be a great thing to have spent so much money on.
Getting your bike licence, this year, when you can, for three 'cheap' tests on a 'cheap' 125, get you a full, licence, without ever having to repeat tests, is a wise investment.
Doing it on a 'boring' commuter..... well, if you have any sense, you'll only have it a couple of months or so.... no need for your mates to even see it.... and it THEY think you look a tit, well, sorry, they are the dumm ones!
NSR and its ilk, fun little bikes, but a heck of a lot of money for something that doesn't do the job 'as well', while carrying the liability off those fancy fairings, high maintenance and higher running costs, just to look like a fashion conciouse tit with an L-Plate, rather than an economy conciouse one.
End of the day, its your money, your life, your call; BUT.. you KNOW what makes most sense, already, so WHO are you trying to kid here, finding excuses to do otherwise?
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | WetAndCold wrote: | I drive a car at least 200 miles a week, so hopefully my roadcraft is OK.
I know getting an NSR is stupid and makes no sense... but I'm an immature 17 year old and think it looks good...plus my mates would rip the living shit out of me riding on a commuter bike My head knows I should get a cg125, but my hearts stopping me |
What's important and what you 'see' from the saddle of a bike is very different to what you see and whats important from the seat of a car.
PREUMPTION is the Mother of all Fuck-Ups.
And PRESUMING you have a head-start riding bikes, worse passing bike tests JUST because you are a car driver, is a Granny. DONT bank on it. What you were tought to pass your car test was no where near as stringent as for passing your bike test; what you have 'learned' driving, oh... how many miles since you passed your car test? will if anything, be that you can get away with a LOT of sloppy road-craft in a car.
Being 17 your greatest advantage is ACTUALLY the fact that you have fuck-all experience and ought NOT yet completely succumbed into the complacency of having 'got away' with it all for fifteen or twenty years, hence must be a superlative road user that knows it all... USE THAT and go at it with an open mind PRESUMING you know fuck all, and being grateful of the insight when you find it from car driving.
Mali? Your mates will come back with stories of drunken antics and loads of unsafe sex with real 'hot-chicks'... they are all 'hot-chicks' when you are 17 and drunk.... but when you get home, IF any bother calling or respond to your call, when they turn up at the train station or walk into your local, you will wonder HOW the hell you ever came to even SPEAK to them, let alone sleep with them... or actually DID you sleep... or merely pass out?!?!?
Paying a lot of money to have a holiday you only half remember, with hind-sight wont be a great thing to have spent so much money on.
Getting your bike licence, this year, when you can, for three 'cheap' tests on a 'cheap' 125, get you a full, licence, without ever having to repeat tests, is a wise investment.
Doing it on a 'boring' commuter..... well, if you have any sense, you'll only have it a couple of months or so.... no need for your mates to even see it.... and it THEY think you look a tit, well, sorry, they are the dumm ones!
NSR and its ilk, fun little bikes, but a heck of a lot of money for something that doesn't do the job 'as well', while carrying the liability off those fancy fairings, high maintenance and higher running costs, just to look like a fashion conciouse tit with an L-Plate, rather than an economy conciouse one.
End of the day, its your money, your life, your call; BUT.. you KNOW what makes most sense, already, so WHO are you trying to kid here, finding excuses to do otherwise? |
I agree with everything you say, so much so I would go on eBay right now and buy a commuter bike.
However, I can't seem to find a cg125 or ybr 125 with a good few months MOT cheaper than £800. I can get a nsr 125 with MOT till october for £750 thats not too far away from me either.
I'm not too worried about economy since I wont do too many miles on it in 1 or 2 months. It's just to practice on. If I could get a cg with that much MOT for £600 I would without hesitation...but I can't. Any alternatives to the cg/ybr? |
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You will struggle to find a CG or YBR down in the £600 price bracket; they hold thier value 'better' than NSR's for a reason, kid...
NSR may well be better priced & come with an MOT, but it's as likely going to cost you twice as much to insure, and THAT is no small 'ecconomy', and in the bargain basement, whether it will 'last' until that MOT is due is entirely questionable, though sure as fuck, if it DONT, it will be a damn sit more expensive to sort out than a CG or YBR....
Buy price is only a tiny 'fraction' of the overall costs; if you are prepared to invest £800 in a bike to get a licence on, what difference does it make what it is? And £800 bike is an £800 bike, so why AREN'T you prepared to pay as much for a CG as an NSR?
Cost of ownership = Buy Price + Insurance + Maintenence + Repairs - Sell Price
Buy an £800 NSR, and its likely going to cost you £500 to insure it. Buy a CG125, more likely £300. IF you let an NSR fall off the side stand, you will instantly knock £200 off the resale, or have to fork out for panels, & paint that as like will cost more. If it turns out that it needs a top end rebuild, then you are looking at a couple of hundred for a replated barel, and new piston & rings, plus gaskets. CG125, you could buy a BRAND NEW CG Copy engine for that money. Tyres? Chain & Sprokets? Brakes? ALl that much less expensive = less risk of loosing money.
So to pay MORE to buy a bike that has less than ideal riding position & restricted steering lock, making it harder to hustle through test cones, and do all necessary observations for test, that carries more risk of costing more money, does NOT make any sense.
Yes; they are a 'nice' bike; and if you were 'stuck' by the A1 licence rules coming into force next year that would stop you getting on anything more exiting for two years, yeah, no problem; BUT as a stepping stone to something FAR more inspiring, its spending more money to give yourself more possible 'problems' and make life harder for yourself.
SYM = AVOID
| Quote: | Damaged/Repaired Cat D ..... the bike does not need an MOT until 4/12/2012 |
If it was Cat-D declared then you would NOT get a log-book until the Cat-D was 'Cleared' by the bike PASSING an MOT, no matter HOW young it is; Write-off Catagory declaration invalidates the 'New Vehicle MOT exemption'... so one or other statement is a lie.
Its also a Chinky CG copy with a less than great reputation; that probably wouldn't pass its first MOT even if it HADN'T been written off.....
AND you can get Chinky Copy CG's that HAVE passed first MOT, and proved they are moderately useful, and NOT been written off for less money.....
The Sach's? Look nice dont they? And they aren't badly built either. BUT, they are notoiriousely badly supported; the company was started up on a shoe-string and went bust about three or four times, so built quality and product 'styability' variable, and the support for them by way of spares and information is appalling. Consequently they have become bargain basement bangers, usually botched beyond belief to keep them going and proved FAR from reliable. Four stroke Suzuki engine is not the most reliable 4T 125 out there, though has endured many years, but was never particularly brisk. In the heavy Sach's its particularly lack-lustre. Yam DT powered two-stroke was a little more exiting, and probably as reliable if not dicked with; but still not a great newby bet. Few owners of them have been on here; few have said great things about them.
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And bear in mind that nothing looks that good with L plates on it.
If your main concern is looks, then how about a CBR125, or a Hyosung GT125R?
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I might be talking out of my arse here, but if its only to get through tests that require a 125,
What about the realy early 90's stuff? I.E KH125's and shit like that. Insure it TPO for all of around 80 quid a year, and should it go wrong parts are going to cost f*ck all.
12bhp should put it on par with the modern day stuff (i.e CBF's YBR's and such) however im willing to bet the ride will be proper shit, and the brakes worse being drums front and back on some (GP100 springs to mind). I see something along those lines pop up every so often for around 400 quid taxed & tested. Dont think they'd be all that fussy about what two stroke oil goes in em either. Proper simples to work on, and theres always someone who knows exactly what wants doing to make em run cock on...
something like this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-KAWASAKI-KH125-/230743608590?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item35b9640d0e#ht_500wt_1057
Just a thought mind.
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