failed cbt :[

[radilist]

i have been waiting for mounths to take my cbt so today i finally took it i have a new aprilia 125 rx so everything was going good the instructors told me i had good control of my bike and i was realy confident about going out on the road so i get out and it was me and one other guy i have never been on the road so i mainly copied him and then it got to my turn to lead i was doing well untill i came to a round about then i started doing things wrong and at time ignoring the instructor i dont know why and it ended up with him taking me back and failing me now i have very little confidence of ever riding bikes anyone got any advice for me for when i take it again ?

[anthony_r6]

No fail, just no certificate. Unfortunately you need experience to comfortably operate on a roundabout, and it's not something they teach you on the car-park, and you only learn when you come against them.

Go back, try again. Maybe watch how they work, I know it sounds basic, but you need to build. Also, slow down and be prepared to stop, and always be alert. You'll get it next time
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[radilist]

[J.M.]

Two pieces:
Listen to your instructor.
Stop quitting so easily.

You haven't failed your CBT, you merely haven't completed it to a satisfactory level yet. It's your first time out on a bike or the public road, you may well make mistakes.

You were doing well up to the point where you were leading. Know what, me too. I was doing great for my entire CBT until we switched over and I was leading. I then stalled at the first set of traffic lights, twice. There was also just so much to think about like changing gears, indicating, shoulder checks, etc. The CBT does cover a lot in the short time you're doing it.

When you were following the guy in front he was doing all of the thinking for you. His indicator comes on and you automatically go "ah yes, I need to indicate", he does a shoulder check and you get reminded to do yours too. When you're leading there's a lot of pressure on trying to ride perfectly and also remembering everything. Whilst I don't have actual evidence for this, I would guess that is why they make you take in turns taking the lead.

Go back the next time with an open mind and listen to what your examiner tries to say. If you go back thinking "I can't do this" then no, you wont be able to.
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2004 R1 & 2018 XSR900

[radilist]

[Llama-Farmer]

I think the CBT is flawed.

I found it easy as pie, but I had been driving over 5 years when I took it... I knew all about lane choice, roadsigns and negotiating busy roundabouts and stuff, and never had to think about any of that. The only thing I had to think about when riding on my CBT was increased rearwards observation and lifesaver checks, making sure other cars have seen me, or being aware that they might not have seen me, and avoiding potholes, diesel patches etc. To have to worry about all the other aspects as well, that might well be an overwhelming amount to deal with.

For someone with a driving licence, who has passed a theory and practical test, the CBT is perfectly adequate to then ride a bike on the road.

For someone who has never driven a car, to then do 1 days training and be allowed to ride on the road unsupervised is not adequate imho.
There is very little coverage of the theoretical side, a theory test (motorcycle or car) should be a minimum to ride unsupervised on your own I think. You can quite easily kill yourself on a small (125 or less) bike, yet you only need a few hours training with no test to be allowed on the road on one.

That aside, don't worry too much about not passing it. It will definitely help if you read up on the highway code, and motorcycle/car theory books. And when you go to do your CBT again, your first days riding will only be increased experience. One tip I'd offer you is whenever you're a passenger in a car from now on, pay close attention to everything, such as what goes on at roundabouts, where to position yourself on roads with more than one lane etc

[JustGraham]

[GrumpyGuts]

I didn't get my certificate the first time either. Before, I had never ridden a motorcycle before and they chucked me on a manual bike straight away. The car park I had to practise on was tiny so when I was practising my gear changes, the second I reached 2nd my nose was touching a brick wall.

I went back two days later to do more training, fell off the bike, asked for a scooter and passed.

[harscot]

hi bud, as the others say it is not a fail, just keep going is all I say, practical experience is all that is hindering you, most of us so called experienced bikers are still learning all the time, and still making daft mistakes by not staying alert or being distracted, advice is listen to instructor, be aware of your surroundings, and don't be afraid to ask questions before you go out, if you feel that you are having problems pull over and talk to your instructor about it... good luck next time out

[Llama-Farmer]

[Rogerborg]

[MadCatLady]

Absolutely nothing to be ashamed of in not completing CBT in one day. There is a lot to take in (even for people with a car license) and it can be helpful to think about it, read theory/highway code, plan any questions for the instructor etc. You could also ask for a one-to-one lesson when you go back if you think that will help.
Good luck for next time
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CBT - 06/07/11 Theory passed - 19/09/11 Module 1 - 00/00/00 Module 2 - 00/00/00

Yamaha YBR 125

[Alpha-9]

I had to come back for a second day too, but at least it only cost me an extra £30

There really is a lot to think about when you haven't been on the road before, luckily i had a couple of driving lessons and rode a push bike on roads a lot so I felt quite comfortable, i'd recommend doing the same!


Don't sweat it, I find screwing up to be the cause of more screwing up,if you stall and have angry cars behind you so fucking what, they know you're a learner so they can deal with it, just take a deep breath and relax

I was told I wasnt relaxed enough in that I moved my body more than the bike to turn lol, just drop your shoulders and take it easy and it'll all come naturally baby

But then again dont get as comfortable as car drivers, still gotta be on the ball
I looked down to check my speed for a second and looked up and the guy in front had suddenly slammed his brakes on, luckily I had a good distance between us

[Daytona Paul]

[Alpha-9]

Thought i'd add - When I did my CBT with some woman we struggled with roundabouts (even though she had a full license and have drove cars for years )

What our instructor did was get us to park up our bikes and walk up to the roundabout on the footpath to analyze it and watch what others do

It really helped to see how bad other people are

[Taught2BCauti...]

Totally agree with Alpha-9 - study a number of different junctions, preferably in the company of someone who can point out the rights and wrongs.

I don't think you need a CBT to drive a car for the first time, so why not try a driving lesson in a car, to give you a bit of confidence on the road? Some driving schools offer a discount for the first lesson, and you have the security of dual controls and an instructor sitting next to you, rather than being alone with just a radio link.

Just a thought... If there are any 11-16 year olds in the family who are looking forward to taking to the road, they can get driving lessons through an organisation called YoungDriver in a dual-control Seat Ibiza, and there are centres all over the country.

My eldest daughter had her first lesson just before her 13th birthday, and my youngest daughter had hers on her 11th birthday, and they both took to it surprisingly well!

[Capt Castle]

I didn't get the certificate until the 3rd visit


Don't worry about it
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Bikes: GZ125>CBR125>Yamaha MT03>Triumph Sprint ST 955i
CBT: 06/06/08 DAS:14/07/09

[Rogerborg]

[radilist]

thank you everybody i feel alot better about going again now

[harscot]

[dan_flash]

[bLiXeY]

Very much agree with the comments on riders with no road experience doing CBT.

Must be a hell of a lot to try and take on board without any road sense/experience. Huge advantage for people with previous driving experience.

Good luck with your next attempt.

[edb]

I agree with the no experience and CBT issue, it's always seemed a bit odd to me that 16 year olds with no road sense can get on a 2 wheeler in 4 hours

I did my CBT with 5 years driving experience and 2 other vehicle tests under my belt. It was probably fortunate I had the experience as the whole upside down, back to front controls on a bike would have killed me otherwise!

[Llama-Farmer]

[Ingah]