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J.M.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 16 Feb 2012    Post subject: Best alarm for <£100 Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm in the hunt for my next bike at the moment and I've got about £100 budgeted for an alarm - if the bike I buy doesn't come with one already fitted. So at the moment I'm looking for opinions on the best alarm I can get, for an affordable price of up to about £100. Will be living mainly in the city next year, so I want to add an alarm for peace of mind.

I have a chain at the moment, but getting a disk lock too is a consideration - so any reviews on cheap+good ones of them is appreciated.

I thought I was after a naked bike, but I sat on a faired bike in the show room and loved it to bits, so that changed my mind Laughing Bike in question will be the Suzuki GS500F. I know a lot of people prefer the CB500 over the GS500, but aesthetics caught my heart again Laughing I've got plenty of time at the moment to research though, even if I buy a bike now I can't ride it until April thanks to insurance Sad

One of the alarms that I have found is this one: Meta DefCom T.
Can't seem to find any reviews however.

I don't want an alarm that is overly sensitive or one that is so easily disabled I may as well not have it. The slowest rate of battery drain will be good too - I still want to be able to ride the bike if it's sat for a month or two (not that I can see why it would be).

Any replies appreciated - good experiences, bad experiences, recommendations, etc.

Thanks Thumbs UpSmile
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 16 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets see how many times the £25 Cyclone C11 is applauded.
It does just about everythig you can want a 'budget' alarm to do; dont see much point spending more. Fitted three so far. Not the 'best' by a long shot, but certainly best VFM.
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PostPosted: 07:03 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyclone V2 still going strong on my CBF125, after 7'000 miles or so of all weather commuting. Can't fault it so far apart from the fact you can't disable it's 'warning' chirps when you arm/disarm it, which is annoying first thing in the morning.
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PostPosted: 07:12 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a cyclone fitted to all my bikes- 25 quid, makes a loud noise if someone moves my bike, sensitivity can be adjusted so it is not a nuisance. Job done Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 for the Cyclone 2 Smile

Very easy to fit, and good support from the supplier.

Had mine for 3 years, no problems.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id go Cyclone 2 as well.

I fitted one on my last bike, never had an issue with it.

and with the £75 you save you can buy yourself an alarmed disc lock and still have some change for fuel Smile
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you fit alarms? Is it easy or is there a lot of fucking around that could be hazardous if you don't know wtf you're doing?

Might look into that cyclone thingy
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
How do you fit alarms? Is it easy or is there a lot of fucking around that could be hazardous if you don't know wtf you're doing?


The Cyclone consists of 3 main parts, the Control Unit, the Siren, and the Warning LED.

The Siren and LED connect to the control unit so they can be positioned separately.

The Control unit only needs a permanent Live feed and a good earth to work as a basic alarm, but you need to identify the ignition wiring which is then cut, to allow the Control Unit's immobiliser circuit to disable the ignition when armed (2 wires) but this is optional - the unit will just work if the bike is disturbed, without immobilising it if you want.

You can also connect another 2 wires to the left and right indicators to give a visible indication that the alarm has been triggered - helpful if the siren goes off so you can tell if it's your bike!

Connect one more wire for the optional 'Remote Start' function if you wish - but again this is optional.

When you order the Cyclone, specify your make model and year, and you will get specific instructions for your bike. If you get stuck, there's a phone number for support.

You can make a really good job if you can solder the connections, or you can use the crimp connectors supplied.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like Cyclone is the way to go then - thanks guys. Think I'll definitely be going for the non-talking version though when I get mine; a friend had one of these Cyclone alarms on his bike which enjoyed shouting "Armed!" at the top of its voice, which I really didn't like.

Although, at the moment there appears to be a Peter Kay version for sale: "Get back ye Ba***rd! I'll break yer legs!" Laughing

So on a scale of Bob the Builder to Rocket Scientist, how easy/hard will these alarms be to fit? I've got a fairly basic understanding of electronics and barely any knowledge relating to actual mechanics. I'm that kid that takes something apart and when I put it back together there's a screw left over. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non talking Cyclone V2 alarm Thumbs Up

Stupidly loud and so effing simple to install.
Also so simple to bypass...hide the wiring. With a GS500 that wont be too hard, the side panels pop off..this with disturb the alarm very quickly and it will go mental.

Keep the siren dry otherwise point=0

You'll install it easy, I just install the siren and power. I don't bother with the engine cut out or the indicators flashing. No need to tamper with electrics.

It is easy to alter the immob in there, so grab one...at the price, you could grab 2 Laughing use both!

Battery > red wire.
Earth > black wire.

That simple, setting up the keys is simple, most people do it for you already.

Yellow wires to indicators.

Pink/brown/grey wires are immob. Follow manual for these.

When you install it...dont attach the siren till the end. Otherwise you get an earful of ARRGHHHHGTFOTROLOLOLO!!!!!

Bob the builder Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Paddy, very helpful Thumbs Up

I'll probably use both the immobiliser and flashing indicators, but the remote start isn't getting connected. At the price of the alarm if I ever get round to selling the bike I'll just buy another one, so cutting any wires isn't a big worry.

£30 is much better than the £100 alarm I liked too - I'll be able to get a disk lock too Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
So on a scale of Bob the Builder to Rocket Scientist, how easy/hard will these alarms be to fit?


Bob the Builder to Rocket-Scientist? Probably a bit vexing for MrBean, but probably not beyond the abilities of the average TV-Presenter, given a technical assistant to hand them one 'I made Earlier'![/quote]

1/ wait till you have got the bike before you buy.
2/ get a Haynes for the bike; find out if you have a make to kill or break to kill ignition circuit. That says which version of Cyclone you need to buy.
3/ But Cyclone from our good freind Nigel at NCooke Security on e-bay; wait for the next postie to call.
4/ Read Instructions

If you have any quibbles; you know I'm only a stoines throw down the road; so bring it over.

MAIN thing is finding a 'good' place on the bike to put the box and the siren, and where to put the LED.

First you have to find convenient spaces; then look to see whether those spaces are really 'free' of if anything is going to foul on it when it moves, or if its going to be getting sprayed with water off the back wheel, or IF its too easily spotted for people to have a go snipping wires that kind of thing.

And thats probably the 'hardestr' part of the job; looking at the bike and working out how to do the neatest, most descrete 'fit' you can.

Bit of thought; bit of trial and error, then its I think just nine wires to dog in.

If you get some propper connectors; you can joint the alarm in to the original wiring loom pretty tidily, so that you can remove it and put it back as standards any time.

EG: there are two yellow wires, one for each indicator circuit to make them flash when the alarms activated.

Rather than trying to tap them into the indy circuits with scotch-locks... which are unreliable, nasty horrible, spawn of satan divices....

You snip 2" off the end of each yellow wire, twist the two ends together to maye a Y junction then solder a make Japanese standard bullet on one end, and a female bullet on the other.

Pull the indy wires apart at the bullet connectors for the rear indies, and plug the male into the female on your yellow wire, female on the male, and you have a nice neat, reliable 'joint' without ANY bothery of the original loom.

And you can do that kind of thing almost everywhere the alarm is spliced in.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much to get someone to install it for me Thumbs Up Question
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mike, especially for Step 2; make to kill/break to kill completely skipped my mind. Just assumed all bikes would use the same.

Bringing it over will be a PITA until April, because any bike I buy will not be insured until then; bloody 125 only policy Laughing

What under the seat like to store the siren, like near the battery? As for the LED, I'm tempted to take the RPM gauge apart and fit the LED inside of that (so it's like the flashing light you get on a car's dash board), but we'll have to see about that.

Alpha, check this page: https://www.motorbikealarm.co.uk/node/21
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
What under the seat like to store the siren, like near the battery? As for the LED, I'm tempted to take the RPM gauge apart and fit the LED inside of that (so it's like the flashing light you get on a car's dash board), but we'll have to see about that.


Siren under the rear seat, control module stuck under the tank or as close as possible to the airbox. The other suitable place was near the battery (its like a flap that closes down onto the battery) but then putting the rider seat on was a PITA as you may hit some cables. I put my LED between the temp and rev gauge https://www.moto-station.com/ttesimages/motodivers/nouveautes2007/Honda_CBR125RR_07_compteur_stpz.jpg

Best place for it Laughing

The gauge doesn't come apart as such... If I could find a photo for you I would.. but the gauge is squished onto a PCB, there is next to no gap between that and the needle.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not bothering to put an alarm on the CBR, I've only got another month and a week or two riding it. Exciting times Laughing

The GS has the "deep" clocks like this:
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY0WDEwMjQ=/$(KGrHqYOKkYE6kKgi9stBO)c99QRr!~~60_3.JPG
So I was thinking that opening it up would be an option if I did get that bike?

Though saying that, I just dug up a picture of the dash and there seems to be a great place for the LED above the ignition - so that solves that problem.

https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/alison_75/Dash.jpg

Fitting a new fairing bracket and clock cowls to the CBR tomorrow, hopefully checking out a bike too Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
Thanks Mike, especially for Step 2; make to kill/break to kill completely skipped my mind. Just assumed all bikes would use the same.

Bringing it over will be a PITA until April, because any bike I buy will not be insured until then; bloody 125 only policy Laughing


Do you still have my mobile no? If you get stuck, can always pop over in the car with electrical box in the boot if you get stuck.

J.M. wrote:
What under the seat like to store the siren, like near the battery? As for the LED, I'm tempted to take the RPM gauge apart and fit the LED inside of that (so it's like the flashing light you get on a car's dash board), but we'll have to see about that.


LOL; LED in the dash? Wot like I did with the Corpral?

Yeah, MORE difficult that it looks! You have to be bludy careful cracking the instruments apart to not damage them! Looks good though.

Siren & Alarm location is a bit of personal choice, bit of where fits, and very much dependant on the bike. 'usual' possition for the black box is under the seat; but burrying the siren too well, can mute it!

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How much to get someone to install it for me Thumbs Up Question


If you look at [url=]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CYCLONE-MOTORBIKE-MOTORCYCLE-BIKE-ALARM-IMMOBILISER/190298730514?ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1&ih=009&category=25643&cmd=ViewItncooksecurity[/url] on e-bay, they have regional fitters. They do have some-one that covers brum; drop them a message and ask.

If you want to DIY, though, your only the other side of town... ok so its abig town & I know brummies think that anything beyond outside M6/M5.M42 triangle is 'forreign'... but you could pop over if you have trouble & I'm happy to help out.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 17 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Do you still have my mobile no? If you get stuck, can always pop over in the car with electrical box in the boot if you get stuck.


I don't think I ever got your number, at least I don't remember ever getting it.

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LOL; LED in the dash? Wot like I did with the Corpral?

Yeah, MORE difficult that it looks! You have to be bludy careful cracking the instruments apart to not damage them! Looks good though


Quite possibly. I know that I've seen it somewhere before, but I can't for the life of me remember where. Laughing Perhaps you could give me a hand with that then - I could mount the LED with tape or something until I can ride the bike, then bring it over and fit it properly. I tend to get a bit, erm, "destructive" when things don't come apart easily Laughing
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PostPosted: 03:28 - 18 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think I might go for one then if everyone seems to rate them
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 18 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:

£30 is much better than the £100 alarm I liked too - I'll be able to get a disk lock too Laughing
On this note, My local shop has a 'Xena' audible disk alarm but it's not overly cheap (~£75), can I hijack this thread slightly for opinions?
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 18 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-STiG wrote:
J.M. wrote:

£30 is much better than the £100 alarm I liked too - I'll be able to get a disk lock too Laughing
On this note, My local shop has a 'Xena' audible disk alarm but it's not overly cheap (~£75), can I hijack this thread slightly for opinions?


Too expensive for a dics lock.

Audible ones are useful... the scream might save you riding off with it still on.

But they are merely a visible 'deterent' and something to discourage the opportunist trying to wheel the bike away, and the 'extra' 'it wont com off' provided by the more expensive ones wont really do much more to detur than a cheap one, or slow down the deturmined greatly...

Same reasoning behind the Cyclone:- Its not 'wonderful' but provides a heck of a lot of deterant for the dosh.

Alarm provides whistles and bells; says 'think twice kids; discie says 'come back with a van'. Cable or Chain says; 'come back with van and tools'.....

£75 you could have Cyclone, cheapie Discie, and a 'budget' chain or cable you 'could' carry with you; that would cover all bases and not make bike 'un-nickable'; but push the effort needed up beyond the opportunits and less keed ameteurs.
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