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terry_gardener
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 25 Feb 2012    Post subject: motorcycle theory test Reply with quote

please can someone tell me if the motorcycle hazard perception part is the same as the car version. i know the multiple choice questions has more bike related questions but is the hazard perception part the same.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 25 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeppers.
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 26 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Yeppers.


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PostPosted: 00:16 - 26 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did it 4 days ago using only Car HPT software to revise and that prepared me fine, the HPT is the same for both Car and Motorcycle.

You don't really need to buy any motorcycle theory training stuff if you have the car stuff already. I made do with my old car theory questions and most of the questions are the same. There's a few "motorcycle-only" questions in the motorcycle theory, but you can pick these up from doing lots of free mock motorcycle tests online.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 26 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have the car hazrad perception software from my old car lessons school just wondered if they are the same.

thanks for the replies.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 26 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's exactly the same. And when I say 'exactly'..you can actually make out that your in a car and not on a bike!
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 26 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

And it's bloody annoying, I kept wanting the camera car to move around the road a lot more. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 26 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They hadn't changed the videos in the 7 year gap between me doing my car test and my bike test...
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PostPosted: 01:32 - 26 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly the same.

I did my bike theory and car theory about 3 or 4 months apart. Questions are different, but the HPT is exactly the same.

I do hate the HPT though - you get a rubbish and pixelated view of the road!
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PostPosted: 01:47 - 26 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, yeah it's the same.

The clips are filmed from a car, so camera stays flat as cars don't lean round corners, also means going round roundabouts and corners you can't see anything apart from whats directly in front of the camera... in practice you'd be turning your head and looking where you're gonna be going, the camera is fixed on one spot though

Annoying, and the clips are ancient as well... think they were filmed before the hazard perception was even introduced haha
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PostPosted: 02:00 - 26 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there would be a lot more scope for a bike-specific hazard perception test. Especially if you could move the camera view as you're going along, replicating things like looking in your mirrors and doing your shoulder checks. I think the Hazard Perc. test is crap anyway, but if they're going to do it, they may as well do it correctly.

The thing that really annoys me about them is that they're horrible quality video and you can barely see what's happening a little in front of you. I also hate the bulky monitors they've got in the test centres!
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 26 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:
I think there would be a lot more scope for a bike-specific hazard perception test. Especially if you could move the camera view as you're going along, replicating things like looking in your mirrors and doing your shoulder checks. I think the Hazard Perc. test is crap anyway, but if they're going to do it, they may as well do it correctly.

The thing that really annoys me about them is that they're horrible quality video and you can barely see what's happening a little in front of you. I also hate the bulky monitors they've got in the test centres!


I've been driving for 5 years, and recently passed my bike theory, so in reality I should be much much much better now at the whole hazard perception thing than when I was 17 and passed my car theory. Nope. The way the test works its not based on that, you need a certain technique.

I know people who got nearly full marks on it, like 70+ out of 75, but in a car with them they have no idea of things to look for.


We're more than a decade into the 21st century, if we have things like digital tv where we can pick different camera angles to watch sports with, they should be able to implement that as part of a HP test.

You need one or two clips where you're about to pull out to overtake and someone comes steaming up behind/alongside you, something you'd only see when you do a lifesaver.

Do a new test filmed from the bikes, and mount the camera to the helmet, making it point where the head/eyes look.
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PostPosted: 01:37 - 27 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion, the HPT should be done in the presence of the examiner - and you would have to identify and describe the hazard, and explain your actions to score points.
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PostPosted: 01:46 - 27 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:
In my opinion, the HPT should be done in the presence of the examiner - and you would have to identify and describe the hazard, and explain your actions to score points.


In theory, a good idea. Problems with that in practice though, one major one being marking consistency (then you could argue that about examiners marking the practical tests too) but I think the main one has to be money. Who's gonna be paying for their salaries?

When I took motorbike theory recently, there were 2 rooms with about 20 computers in each, the rooms were 75% full for the whole time I was there, thats a lot of examiners. If test prices were hiked up, everyone would complain like hell, but the DSA aren't gonna go to the trouble of paying them without making enough money to cover it
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