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dragstaar
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 28 Feb 2012    Post subject: Difference between Bike and F1 helmets Reply with quote

I was just wondering, is there a structural difference between the helmets bike racers wear, and the ones the F1 drivers wear?

I thought there may be some aerodynamics involved, but i couldn't see any immediate and obvious differences
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 28 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aperture on helmets is a lot slimmer. There's more reinforcement around the brow area. I believe they're constructed from Carbon Fibre composites.

They don't have to worry about sliding down the road in one but DO have to have restraints for HANS devices to prevent basalar skull fractures - used to be the most common cause of death; hyperextension of the neck, and was only mandated when Dale Earnhardt died from it.

Just have a ganders at the Arai, Bell or Schuhbert website since they all do lids for both disciplines and might outline the technical differences. I know on my Arai RX-GP, they have a peripheral belt on the brow which was adapted from F1 to increase impact strength.
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PostPosted: 04:09 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always wondered this, and whether you could use a motorbike helmet for a (car) track day and vice versa.

Aside from HANS I wasn't aware of any obvious difference, but I didn't look into it at all
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:
I always wondered this, and whether you could use a motorbike helmet for a (car) track day and vice versa.

Aside from HANS I wasn't aware of any obvious difference, but I didn't look into it at all


Most people who do car track days for fun use standard bike helmets, they're the cheapest and easiest to buy.

The focus with F1 helmets, apart from protection, is weight saving, which is pretty important when you're pulling 5Gs; exotic materials have been a major improvement in this area, in the old days of plain GRP, it wasn't unheard of for drivers to modify (read take an angle grinder to) helmets to shave a few grams off, which does tend to compromise safety somewhat.

Apertures seem to be getting bigger now, I'm guessing because they have less head movement, so peripheral vision has become an issue.

They did used to be like looking through a letterbox and the ultimate incarnation of the smallest aperture/highest level of protection was probably this:

https://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6183/bellhelmet.jpg

They are also fitted with fire retardent linings as standard and F1 helmets are usually personally fitted, which means the cost can be quite scary; it was rumoured that Michael Schumacher's original Schuberth cost somewhere North of $20,000, although you can get them over the counter for a lot less now.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
They are also fitted with fire retardent linings as standard


This is something that quite regularly got raised on a mainly US based car mailing list I used to be on as a reason not to use bike helmets on car track days.

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PostPosted: 13:25 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair though, the Yanks are particularly paranoid about safety.

Any good quality bike helmet will be approved for UK car racing and you have to get quite a long way up the chain before flame retardent linings become mandatory.

You do see a lot very expensive helmets at fairly low level motorsport, but I suspect that's more to do with racing drivers generally being flash gits, rather than any need to obey the rules.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
To be fair though, the Yanks are particularly paranoid about safety.


Some bits of safety anyway Laughing . Can be amusing the very different levels of paranoia about different safety related things in different countries.

Shaft wrote:
You do see a lot very expensive helmets at fairly low level motorsport, but I suspect that's more to do with racing drivers generally being flash gits, rather than any need to obey the rules.


Laughing . And all the flash custom paint jobs.

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PostPosted: 16:45 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I certainly notice a difference when i wear my Bell RS3 Pro Race for sprints and hillclimbs. I can't see bugger all compared to my bike helmet.

Still i only need to look out the front of the car.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
To be fair though, the Yanks are particularly paranoid about safety.

Any good quality bike helmet will be approved for UK car racing and you have to get quite a long way up the chain before flame retardent linings become mandatory.

You do see a lot very expensive helmets at fairly low level motorsport, but I suspect that's more to do with racing drivers generally being flash gits, rather than any need to obey the rules.


Not the "buy the best you can afford" rule of thumb then?

I do know they like to thing they're flash, but if I was competing in competitive racing I'd be purchasing the best safety gear I could (as far as is reasonably practical) before I started.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:


Not the "buy the best you can afford" rule of thumb then?

I do know they like to thing they're flash, but if I was competing in competitive racing I'd be purchasing the best safety gear I could (as far as is reasonably practical) before I started.


Racing gear is the same as bike gear, above a certain point it's all doing the same job, the differences are in cost and style.

Race suits have to meet certain requirements, so do fully approved (ie FIA standard) helmets and things like fire retardent materials are bought in from outside companies; my race suit complies with fire regulations up to the level I need it to, I could've spent three or four times as much, but I wouldn't get any better protection and it was still made to my specifications.

Similarly, you could buy a £300 helmet with a fire retardent lining and it will do the same job as a £600 Arai/Bell/Sparco, because it has to.

There could be an argument to do with having a particular brand fitting better than another (which is why I wear what I wear) but you know when someone is buying style and flashness, when you see a guy walking round the paddock in a mega bucks, unobtainium lid, covered in the latest aerodynamic aids, and he's just stepped out of a tin top Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is about weight also, my mate does racing and his helmet is made for hans obv but on top of that is probably half the weight of my bike helmet. Did pay more than x2 for it though.
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