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Adzison
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: I did my CBT and failed? Reply with quote

I'm so upset, I was tested on manual and i just couldn't get the hang of the clutch and gear changing, there were 3 others, 2 of the other guys doing manual all had experience in the road and driving experience where I on the other hand had no experience at all 0%.
I feel like a failure, I've been put off riding motorcycle all together and its so upsetting.

Is motorcycle not for me? Would it be ideal if i started on a moped? or should I just get a car?

I LOST 140 QUID!!!!!!!!! SO ANGRY,


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PostPosted: 15:28 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

do your cbt on a twist and go.
does not stop you mriding a 125cc manual afterwards
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

do your cbt on a twist and go.
does not stop you
riding a 125cc manual afterwards
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

try not to worry about it too much, do they not do free resits if you fail? I know the CBT instructors I had offered unlimited free resits until you were up to scratch. Failing that, they should at least offer a discounted resit?

Either way, try not to be to disheartened, it's hard enough trying to do it on a automatic, let alone faffing around with gears and clutch control. Take it as a experience, learn from it, and try again, I'm sure you will pass next time round Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where did you do your CBT?

I must admit I didn't fail the CBT, I'd never had any experience on a bike either. I think its because you over thought... and got worked up that other people could do it.

If you are fairly local, I've got a small cc geared bike you are welcome to come down and have a go around the closed area at the back of the house.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Why take the test if you have no experience of a geared bike?
What other outcome could be expected - silly!


What test? it was the CBT he done.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's not a test, you cannot fail. It's just they didn't think you were road safe after that day. Most (maybe all) CBT centres it's free to go back again if your using your own bike. If no bike of your own then the cost will just be for using one of their bikes.

I went with 0% experience as you did, never sat on bike before and never had a driving lesson. No problems on the off road bits but was a bit unsure on some of the on road elements (roundabout) after the 2 hour ride, they were borderline at giving certificate so I decided myself i'd have another road ride with them the next week, did much better as focussed on the bits I was unsure about and much more confident.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: I did my CBT and failed? Reply with quote

Adzison wrote:
I'm so upset.

I feel like a failure, I've been put off riding motorcycle all together and its so upsetting.

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PostPosted: 16:59 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who send all these babies to fight?


I fucked it up my first time too, very much over thinking, and it got dark, and very very cold, i couldnt focus because of how much i was vibrating in shivvers


I got to go back the next week and finish off for £30, not bad Thumbs Up

Don't sweat it. The more you think the harder it is.
I find being around others distracting too. You can you know, tell your instructor that, tell him you haven't got a handle of the clutch and gears yet and need more time. simples.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: I did my CBT and failed? Reply with quote

Adzison wrote:
I feel like a failure, I've been put off riding motorcycle all together and its so upsetting.

I LOST 140 QUID!!!!!!!!! SO ANGRY,


1/ You did not 'Fail', it is a training course, not a test.
2/ You did not 'Loose' £140... something 'lost' can be found...
You SPENT £140 on £140's worth of TRAINING, you got £140's worth of some-one teaching you to do something.
FACT that you didn't get the certificate at the end of it? Well, you didn't learn ENOUGH... maybe you were starting out from behind, and needed to learn more than others. Maybe you are a slow learner. Doesn't matter.
3/ The Instructor, NOT giving you your ticket to ride, as some kind of 'right', has POSSIBLY saved your fucking LIFE....

Once upon a time any-one could apply for a provisional, get a bike and crash to thier hearts content, trying to 'learn' to ride.

CBT is there to take away that initial danger of you knowing absolutely NOTHING and having you fall off, pottentially infront of 45ton articulated lorries!

Is biking for you?

Well if you don't have what it takes to accept a knock-back.... No.

Doing it for real, on the road, facing real dangers at every turn? Where dumping your bike is very likely and the cost of repairing it, let alone YOU, is likely to be a damn site more than a measly CBT fee... no, you don't have what it takes. First fall, you'll be whining and whinging, looking for some-one else to blame for YOUR inadequacies, and moaning for them to foot the bill for your fuck-ups.

So, quit while your ahead; and take your moaning and whinging and whining with you...

OR... accept that YOU need to work at this; learn to ride PROPERLY, get the BASIC competance needed to earn your CBT cert, and that THAT is only the start, and a full licence will take even MORE, and IF you want to be a safe competent rider, passing the actual REAL 'bike tests' will demand even more effort and work and learning, and fathom a way to get THAT 'know-how', and actually do it, accepting there will be set-backs and expenses along the way, and there are never any garantees in life, and DO IT.

It is not your RIGHT to use a motor-vehicle on the public road; it is a privilidge;

CBT is but the very first LESSON in riding a motorbike. And riding on CBT, on the LEARNER LICENCE an even bigger privilidge;

Every other motorised road user has to do ALL their lessons, and pass ALL the tests before they are allowed on the roads alone......

And the Learner-Licence is just that; so you may LEARN, to pass the real tests, which ought to be your ambition....

But if you cant hack CBT, and give up after that first set-back... then No, you DONT have the dedication to ride a bike..... probably not to drive a car either, or many other things in life that need a little application, and effort.... but that's another question.

Sorry I'm not going to sugar coat it. But that's the hard facts.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: I did my CBT and failed? Reply with quote

Adzison wrote:
I LOST 140 QUID!!!!!!!!! SO ANGRY,


You had £140 of training. It's TRAINING, not a test.

Man up, go back, or if they won't give you a free/discounted re-try, or you feel that the training was inadequate, go elsewhere.

Just do it on a 125cc scooter (not a "moped", that's 50cc). That'll validate your provisional entitlement for both automatic and manual machines. Assertions to the contrary, I've yet to see a shred of evidence that it won't.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: I did my CBT and failed? Reply with quote

Aww mike go easy on the guy!
I bet hes angrier with himself than anything else, I know i was! But at least i got to come back on the cheap Mr. Green
And no he didn't "loose" but maybe "lose" Wink

I disagree with others saying to do it on a rev and go though...Unless you intend to drive a rev and go when youve got your CBT...but i suppose if you just want to pass and not actually learn anything go for it

Actually rereading his post " I've been put off riding motorcycle all together and its so upsetting. "

Fuck man. Maybe do go hard on him then Mikey Rolling Eyes Man the fuck up!

You'll never get anywhere in life if you don't know how to learn from your failures. Trial and error baby.

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You had £140 of training. It's TRAINING, not a test.
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Also, this. Thumbs Up



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PostPosted: 19:37 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I did my first CBT, the Instructor explained that if anyone in the group wasn't up to scratch to do the on-road section, they would stay behind and get a bit more practice on the pad, and maybe go out later that day if there was time, or could come back and complete the course the following day.

I remember someone having problems with using the clutch, and they were immediately offered a twist-and-go scooter - but they persevered and we all made it through to the on road section on geared bikes.

If you really have to pay again to get your CBT certificate - I would seriously consider doing it somewhere different - it sound like a pretty crap school!
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Why take the test if you have no experience of a geared bike?
What other outcome could be expected - silly!


I took my CBT on a geared bike, having never ridden a geared bike before, or any kind of motorcycle on the road before.

I struggled with the gears (I couldn't comprehend slipping the clutch for so long) but got there in the end. I also went on to pass my full test with 0 faults on either section of it in the following two weeks.

So why shouldn't the OP expect to do the same?
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too also passed my CBT on a geared 125 just after my 17th birthday. Though I had sat on my mates bike while he told me what to to before!

It takes everyone a different time to learn mate, jump back on a scooter / automatic and rape the CBT. Thumbs Up

Then you can still ride / buy a manual and learn on your own accord / have mates show you Thumbs Up Very Happy

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PostPosted: 20:35 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you cant dust yourself off and go again at this early stage, just because of a minor set back, then just dont bother thinking about it. Give up and save the rest of your money! It's a no brainer!!
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

EDIT.

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PostPosted: 21:22 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

£140 is far too much to spend on a CBT. There are plenty of places that'll offer you one for c. £80 - £90 and give you a second days training free of charge of you don't get through it first time round.

It's not unusual for people to not get through it on the first day - don't worry about it. Pick yourself and start again Thumbs Up


P.S. Mike....

I gather that you have at some point conducted bike training. If you don't mind me asking, to what level were you qualified to do so and how long did you do it for?
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imonster wrote:
P.S. Mike....
I gather that you have at some point conducted bike training. If you don't mind me asking, to what level were you qualified to do so and how long did you do it for?

I instructed for three different ATB's, as a DT CBT Instructor, over a period of five years.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imonster wrote:
There are plenty of places that'll offer you one for c. £80 - £90


Really? That sounds awfully cheap. Can you suggest some?
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DSM in Doncaster, £75. And that's gone up, it was only £70 last year.

https://www.dsmmotorcycletraining.com/index.html
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Imonster wrote:
There are plenty of places that'll offer you one for c. £80 - £90


Really? That sounds awfully cheap. Can you suggest some?


Sure.

www.nortonmotorcycletraining.co.uk

https://www.saferiders.co.uk/

Apologies, prices have gone up by a tenner in the last six months Embarassed (though repeats are still being offered at the aforementioned prices)
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine cost £90. I had a choice of two places at that price.


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PostPosted: 22:50 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:

I instructed for three different ATB's, as a DT CBT Instructor, over a period of five years.


The reason I asked was that you seem to have a particularly "aggressive" view re: L platers. You clearly have a lot of knowledge, but respectfully it's not especially relevant to modern day training needs; I've seen you saying in quite forceful terms on here that even if somebody has completed multiple CBT's and has ridden for a few years they're not as competent as a newbie that's been through the test. Which is nonsense.


Had you done the Cardington thing for both CBT and DAS (as I have, and have trained with such qualifications for a few years) you might have a bit more experience to voice such assumptions.
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