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I have had no end of problems with this and I believe it to be a well documented problem with Ducati's at some time, I certainly found a lot about online.
My bike has an Acerbis tank and my tank expands when I leave it with petrol in it. Petrol currently has 5% alcohol added to it, we are changing to 10% and the problems are only going to get worse. Alcohol absorbs moisture fromthe air - water.
The tank is vented to the atmosphere- as the temerature changes air goes in and out of the tank. This air contains moisture, in certain conditions the water condenses and then dissolves in the alcohol. This causes the tank to expand. On my bike I literally cannot undo the filler cap without using a strap wrench ,if I leave it stood for a month with fuel in. If I'm not using the bike for more than a couple of days I drain the tank using an electric pump into a red fuel can and leave the filler cap off.
https://www.ducatimonster.org/threads/tank-swelling-remedies.210509/ ____________________ All the above is my personal opinion, you can see my lips move, but I'm talking out of my arse.
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Can't say I know much about this subject but I'd like to learn a bit more...
Surely if the type of plastic used is prone to warping in the presence of water then the general humidity in the air outside the tank would have some affect regardless of whether you drained the inside?
Put it another way: are these plastic tanks going to go wonky regardless and ethanol just speeds up the process? ____________________ Royal Enfield Continental GT 535, Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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BP, ESSO, TEXICO, SHELL all have the E5 on all there pumps in Lancs.  |
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KTM with plastic tank, can confirm it's harder to put back in than take out.
The length of the tank seems to mean bolting it back to the frame is a lot harder than a metal tank, as the holes are out of alignment.
I used a lever with padding to pry the tank back and got a bolt in one side then did the same on the other.
I believe it's even worse in some US states where they use higher concentrations of ethanol.
I've taken to using premium fuels, Shell and Esso apparently don't contain any.
Most places otherwise are marked as E5.
Ducatti owners are well aware but there's some other models listed here.
https://deformedfueltanks.com/ ____________________
'81 CG125, '97 FZS600 : '99 CBR600F4, '09 KTM RC8 |
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| slowside wrote: | It's quite annoying. I mean, even my little YBR had a metal tank.
Why does my premium marque British sports tourer get a Playmobil tank? |
I don't get it either.. It's not like ethanol in fuel is recent or been kept a secret. Presumably there are some benefits of a plastic tank? ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600 |
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| Hong Kong Phooey wrote: | KTM with plastic tank, can confirm it's harder to put back in than take out.
The length of the tank seems to mean bolting it back to the frame is a lot harder than a metal tank, as the holes are out of alignment.
I used a lever with padding to pry the tank back and got a bolt in one side then did the same on the other.
I believe it's even worse in some US states where they use higher concentrations of ethanol.
I've taken to using premium fuels, Shell and Esso apparently don't contain any.
Most places otherwise are marked as E5.
Ducatti owners are well aware but there's some other models listed here.
https://deformedfueltanks.com/ |
Nice to see something specific in this debate. Mostly there's ppl raving about "plastic tanks" like they're just a thing but obviously there are all sorts of plastics.
Polyamide Plastic seems to be the problem as it's known to degrade in the presence of pure Ethanol (therefore only a matter of time with dilutions.)
I turned up this list:
https://omnexus.specialchem.com/polymer-properties/chemical-resistance/ethanol-96-20-c
Look carefully for a replacement tank and decent ones seem to be HDPE (high density polyethylene.) Well worth checking before dropping $$$ on a Ducati tank. ____________________ Royal Enfield Continental GT 535, Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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If money was no object then aluminium aftermarket tanks are available.
Https://beater-japan.com/?p=267
Can cram an extra 4.5 litres in, is a thing of real beauty. ____________________
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My Mille R has the plastic fuel tank also. Seems to be ok up to now, touch wood. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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| slowside wrote: | It's quite annoying. I mean, even my little YBR had a metal tank.
Why does my premium marque British sports tourer get a Playmobil tank? |
One reason might be because building press tools to form sheet metal is really very expensive , worth paying out if you are making thousands and thousands of bikes , less economic for a limited production run of only a few thousand.
Just to point out as well as we move towards fuel with 10% alcohol becoming the norm. Alcohol/ water in fuel isn't just a problem for tanks, it can affect fuel lines and the alloys in Carburettors badly as well. One of the reasons that many fuel injection parts are made of plastic. ____________________ All the above is my personal opinion, you can see my lips move, but I'm talking out of my arse.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 204 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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