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 Posted: 21:09 - 26 Feb 2012  Post subject: I feel sorry for Up coming learner motorcyclist |
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The New Staged Access Routes to Motorcycle Licence's
A1 (Standard)
This can be taken on a machine between 115 and 125cc. If you are aged between 17 and 19 this will be your only option.
Upon passing the A1 you will get a full licence to ride on motorways and take pillion passengers, but you will never be able to ride anything bigger than a 125cc machine that produces a maximum of 11 Kwh (14.6 Bhp) until you pass the next test (A2) when you reach a minimum age of 19 or two years after passing your A1 test.
A2 (Middleweight)
The test and training must be taken on a machine of a minimum of 395cc that produces a maximum of 35 Kwh (46.6 Bhp). This can only be taken when you are at least 19 years old or two years after passing your A1.
Upon passing you can ride any size of motorbike but the power is capped at 35 Kwh (46.6 Bhp) this will never increase!. The other "restriction" on this category, is the machine cannot be restricted to 35 Kwh if it produces more than 70 Kwh or 93.5 Bhp in standard trim.
A (D.A.S)
The Direct Access Scheme will still be available but the minimum age will rise from 21 to 24. The bike engine size of at least 595cc and must produce at least 40 Kwh (54 Bhp). You must be at least 24 years old or can be taken two years after passing your A2.
It is possible to obtain your A Licence at 21, ONLY IF you have already passed your A2 licence at 19.
https://www.artmotorcycletraining.co.uk/new-motorcycle-test-2013.htm
This is all due to happen in 2013, stuff that, glad I already passed 
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one part of me thinks that folks should be able to do what they like and take the risks they want to ie. riding a 185mph motorcycle or driving a car with no seatbelt, ect ect.
Then the other part of me says should we really allow youngsters to ride said 185mph bikes at a very young age. I remember what I was like at 17/18....one speed....flat out.
If i was making the rules it would be 50cc at 16, 125 at 17 and then DAS= unrestricted at say 20 but then saying that I was still a loon untill about 25 .
But whatever the age you set for unrestricted I'd only have one test....you could ride a 50 and 125 on a cbt....kinda like the old days just not letting folks on big bikes till later.
And to make things kinda fair I'd restrict young car drivers to 1000cc or less untill they are 20.
Having said all that I can kinda see where the authorities are coming from, its and effort to get more training into youngsters before they get on very powerful machines. |
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| fozzym wrote: | one part of me thinks that folks should be able to do what they like and take the risks they want to ie. riding a 185mph motorcycle or driving a car with no seatbelt, ect ect.
Then the other part of me says should we really allow youngsters to ride said 185mph bikes at a very young age. I remember what I was like at 17/18....one speed....flat out.
If i was making the rules it would be 50cc at 16, 125 at 17 and then DAS= unrestricted at say 20 but then saying that I was still a loon untill about 25 .
But whatever the age you set for unrestricted I'd only have one test....you could ride a 50 and 125 on a cbt....kinda like the old days just not letting folks on big bikes till later.
And to make things kinda fair I'd restrict young car drivers to 1000cc or less untill they are 20.
Having said all that I can kinda see where the authorities are coming from, its and effort to get more training into youngsters before they get on very powerful machines. |
I can kinda get what you're coming from, and what you propose seems to be more reasonable than what they are introducing with the 3rd directive.
The problem is that there will be many sensible younger riders that will be punished and prevented from riding large bikes just to attempt to protect the nutters.
like you said, I think we should let the people who are going to kill themselves do exactly that and stop getting in the way of darwin. |
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| bLiXeY wrote: | Does anyone know if passing the new 2013 A1 (standard) means you still have to ride with L-plates? |
No, A1 is a proper (I'll hesitate to say "full") license category. The "new" A1 is the same as the current one: no L plates, you can take a pillion and go on a motorway.
However, since it looks like we'll be giving direct access to the new A2 at 19, the new A1 looks to be just as pointless as the current one. You won't get access to new A2 any quicker by passing A1.
| Hairy Tom wrote: | does the Government not realise all this will do is put thousands of teenagers on motorbikes with no incentive to train and pass their test until they're 19? |
That's a fully fledged bastard of a good point, it's insanity from a road safety point of view. If they'd set direct access to new A2 at (e.g.) 21 it would at least have given some incentive to pass an A1 at 17 and then get access to A2 at 19 after the 2 year wait. But with direct access to A2 at 19, what's the point? Just ride on L plates for 2 years then pass A2.
| Hairy Tom wrote: | does this include the theory test too? if it does it is full for money, £30 a go for the same thing 3 times? more the government is taking off us for no reason... |
No, to sit a test you'll need either:
A valid CBT and theory pass.
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A test pass in a lower category.
No need to re-sit theory to go from A2 to A, or A1 to A2 - although as above, most people will likely skip A1 and go straight to A2 at 19 with a CBT and theory pass.
All of that said, the DfT are still humming and hawing about allowing a 'training' route to access higher categories. If they do that, then it might make A1 attractive.
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| Posted: 11:50 - 27 Feb 2012 Post subject: |
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| Rob Fzs wrote: | so no more just riding around on a 125 on a cbt ? |
the one bit of UK Legislation that the EEC Directive does actually prohibit... and we get 'assurances' from DfT that we wont be complying with it... yup... so why bother complying with ANY of it...
Unsupervised L-Plating & DAS are what produces highest numbers of accidents & KSI, and they are doing fuck all about either, just muddling in the middle.
Now we have had radio supervision piloted & proved for DAS training & persuit tests for over 20 years, I THINK we can safely do away with unsupervised L-Plating as EEC Directive requires....
Do away with CBT, and you could have "A1 in a DAY" courses instead.... actually give the group a purpose.
Make incremental training a mandatory part of progressive licencing; say 18 'modules' six before you can upgrade to A2, 12 to upgrade to A. Each module requiring minimum of 4hrs 'assessed' riding with an instructor.
Do away with the age limits, AND DAS, and make EVERYONE start on A1, and if they want to progress 'do the modules'; if they want a fast track to a full unrestricted licence, nothing stopping ANYONE of any age or lack of maturity doing so... they just need to do about two full working weeks straight in the saddle... I think most would stretch it out a bit for comfort & cost!
Would actually provide incentive to do training; and do something about the L-Plate & DAS stats.
But FAR too sensible for the politicians to wrap thier heads around...
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Christ, fancy being a rozzer and having to enforce all that old malarkey! 
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| Alpha-9 wrote: | | Rob Fzs wrote: | so no more just riding around on a 125 on a cbt ? |
Where did you get that?
As far as i know that's unchanged. |
Agreed, I haven't seen any suggestion that it's being canned, although I do think that its days are numbered.
| Alpha-9 wrote: | It's seems overly complicated anyway, I don't get how or why it works like this |
Brussels.
| Alpha-9 wrote: | Seems like its about money to me, forcing people to do DAS or be forever restricted   |
No, I believe it's genuine ideology. There's a Brussels "fact sheet" kicking around where you can practically see the spittle on the PDF from some soulless little grey zombie shrieking "Ze pass on einer untermotorrad und zen! Zen vot do ze do? Ze just vait 2 years und get einen ubermotorrad! Zere is nicht even einer form to complete!" https://encyclopediadramatica.ch/images/6/65/Edfhitler2.gif
| ApriliaNutter wrote: | I think that's not enough. There should be engine size restriction rather than bhp restriction (i.e. A2 up to 400cc). |
Well, there's a minimum engine size for test bikes, if that helps. Of course, with it being Brussels, it's insane: to get a new A2 license, you'll have to pass the test on a bike that's in the 25kW to 35kW range and at least 395cc.
I make that...
GS500
G650GS
NC700S/X
...or any other 500+ bike with restrictors fitted. 
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| Posted: 15:23 - 27 Feb 2012 Post subject: |
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It puts me off bothering to do the bike tests.
Gonna end up frittering on a 125 indefinitly, I can see it now.
Can someone please explain to me once and for all how it works now?
How does someone whos done a CBT 125 get unrestricted full bike license... Is it only via DAS and being over 24? Seems derp to me.
Or is it A1 or something then 2 years till it gets unrestricted?
I'm already confused just thinking about it 
I'd rather not pay £500+ for a DAS, to possibly fail and waste the money, and i'm happy to ride around on my YBR for 2 years
But what would I need to do? Mod 1 and 2 i hear, is that part of DAS though or jsut standard bike test?
Do you do lessons first? Should you?
Can you do the theory any time? how much is it?
Don't want to force a massive post out of you, but it makes my brain ache.
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