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PostPosted: 21:21 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Bad luck? Or just useless dealerships? Reply with quote

Recently, Mother & I seem to have had awful luck with our motor vehicles. Just asking what you'd do in certain situations which are currently happening to us! Smile.

Our Mitsubishi Lancer GS4, it is SPOTLESS due to almost never being used, black metallic-esque paint. We took it in for a routine MOT and were told it would be out two days later.

A day later, we get a phone call saying that when the car was on the ramp having the underneath inspected, a huge halogen lamp, think one of these:

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but much bigger, exploded and fell from the ceiling resulting in a huge dent in the roof and loads of scratches from glass on the roof, bonnet, boot, spoiler, A pillars and wings.

They said they'd repaint these parts and sort it out, four days later asked to come inspect it and it was a MESS. Pieces of GLASS under the paint that they hadn't bothered to remove! Basically told them to shove it and do it again, properly. Basically we've told them now that if it's not up to standard (scratches, visible/able to feel a 'lip' in the paint or anything that means it's not exactly as it went in to them) we want the full private value of the car, i.e., they buy it from us. This is about £10k. My question is, do you think this is unreasonable? Or is there another way around it? We gave them a chance and they tried to fob us off.

Secondly, my turn! I ordered a new BMW 1 Series Sport on the 28th(?) of December or so, really excited, picked my spec and as it had to be built for me was told it would turn up first week of March.

Come first week of March, nothing. Then I get told it will turn up on Friday the 9th of March but due to a handover period or whatever I can't get it until the 13th of March, frustrating, but fine.

Anyway, I get a phone call today to come up. Lo and behold my car has arrived, proper spec, looking beautiful but it has a MANUAL transmission when I ordered semi-automatic! A HUGE mistake! I couldn't believe it. As we've sold the Mondeo pretty much I needed a car. I was pretty frustrated already.

Then I am told that they have to build another car for me and I won't be getting it until the start of May (Shocked) which annoyed me even more.

They gave me a courtesy car in the end which I have until my new car comes, but still, my thoughts are how the hell could this even happen? It's a professional factory that prides itself on just BEING BMW, how good they are, excellence and all that when they had the car for FOUR DAYS and they didn't notice it had the complete wrong transmission until pretty much the last second before I was due to pick it up, so annoying as I now have to wait even more time for no reason. Is it justifiable for me to be annoyed? I know it's not the salesman's fault and he has done everything he can to help me out but still, this could have been done a heck of a lot better...

I just had to rant this out, it has annoyed me, especially on top of my bike playing up because of the alarm which I hate.

My courtesy car, same as the one I ordered just mine should be red:

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Fantastic car, would recommend to anyone.

My question is, has anyone else had similar experiences and how has it been resolved? This is the first time I've ever heard of anything like both of those happening let alone both happening to my family in the space of two weeks or so! Crying or Very sad!
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel so sorry for you pet. Honestly, i'm sat here in tears. I hope life gets better.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is awful. Channel 4 should do a documentary about Britain's hidden shame of BMW dealers occasionally getting things a bit wrong. I'm proper upset now - do you know, I just went for a shit, and couldn't give one.

I need a cuppa and some digestives.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are being fair with the mitsi as it was in good condition when you left it with the garage and you should expect the car to be in the same condition afterwards, they won't be happy with buying the car tho as their trade insurance will only cover trade prices/values so the extra will come off them.
I'll be interested to see how that one pans out but stick to your guns and don't accept anything below standard.
As for the BMW, well mistakes happen and I would think a letter to customer services may get you a sweetener in the shape of a free service or 2 maybe?
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like a good comparison between a good and bad garage to me. On the bad side you have the MOT monkeys trying to bodge the car up and fob you off, on the other you have the BMW dealer giving you a brand new car to swan about in until the mistake is sorted at no cost to you (will cost them a few £ in depreciation and not having that demonstrator available).





I would have had a 1 series coupe if I had the money (135I would be nice) but what the hell have they done to it's nose? It was never a pretty car but now Sick

Still gonna buy a lottery ticket Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me and my two 9 year old busted-up Citroens with a laundry list of pending MOT failures offer our deepest sympathy for your dreadful woes. The world's smallest violin player, just for you!
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimspeed wrote:
I think you are being fair with the mitsi as it was in good condition when you left it with the garage and you should expect the car to be in the same condition afterwards, they won't be happy with buying the car tho as their trade insurance will only cover trade prices/values so the extra will come off them.
I'll be interested to see how that one pans out but stick to your guns and don't accept anything below standard.
As for the BMW, well mistakes happen and I would think a letter to customer services may get you a sweetener in the shape of a free service or 2 maybe?

Cheers for that. That was our original thought as they obviously have a duty of care to return it to us to the standard they received it in. I just can't see how they will do it properly without a total respray which they seem reluctant to do. I hope they sort it out as the Mother loves that car to bits, looks after it like a child! Laughing!

They are contacting us in the next day or so, I'll make sure to post with what we end up doing.

Might be worth trying, it's quite an inconvenience to be fair. I think a service or two would be nice but as far as I know they are providing this courtesy car free of charge for (essentially) two months at a rate of 150 miles maximum per day, considering it's only got 680 miles on it now I could be handing it back with 7,500 miles which could cost them a lot of money, so I guess that goes a long way to making up for it.

Just see how it goes, just been a real bummer recently especially when I've been looking forward to my new car for months and end up not getting it because of a ridiculous mistake that pretty much never happens apparently that was handled pretty badly.

Cheers for the reply. Smile!
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stonesie wrote:
I would have had a 1 series coupe if I had the money (135I would be nice) but what the hell have they done to it's nose? It was never a pretty car but now Sick

Still gonna buy a lottery ticket Laughing

Haha! Personally I think the new nose (and the car in general) is a massive improvement on the E8x models. They just looked like a poor-man's 3 Series whereas now it looks a lot better and is something different to the 3 Series so it's not the Porsche Boxster of the BMW world.

I'd suggest one if you can, the fuel economy is insane on the diesels. I can average 60mpg in this thing whereas the Mondeo would average around 34mg. Shocked.

Thing is, the Mitsubishi garage have always been really nice to us, weekend test rides, good trade-in prices and all that so it's weird to just see them be total arseholes to us. If they can't sort it out properly it'll likely be the last time we set foot in there when it comes to looking for a car...
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:20 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you will be hard pressed to get them to buy the Mitsi at the price you want.

Their liability is to return the car to its previous state, rather than buy it off you. Any trouble, get on the phone to Trading Standards, but you're not going to get them to buy it, only fix it properly.

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PostPosted: 22:24 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:
I think you will be hard pressed to get them to buy the Mitsi at the price you want.

Their liability is to return the car to its previous state, rather than buy it off you. Any trouble, get on the phone to Trading Standards, but you're not going to get them to buy it, only fix it properly.

Oh we're expecting bottom book, but due to the fact it was caused whilst in their care we'd like a little more. What we expect and what we would like to get are two very different things. If they cannot return the car to the previous state then they have to recompense us in some manner.

Yeah, we've thought about it if they make a fuss about it but as said, we've been going there years and have been on really good terms with them so hopefully it won't come to that. Smile.
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PostPosted: 01:34 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: Bad luck? Or just useless dealerships? Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:

My question is, has anyone else had similar experiences and how has it been resolved? This is the first time I've ever heard of anything like both of those happening let alone both happening to my family in the space of two weeks or so! Crying or Very sad!


My answer is, having spent 30 odd years in the motor trade, yep, happens all the time, sometimes it gets resolved to everyone's satisfaction, sometimes it doesn't.

Without seeing the Lancer, it's hard to say if it can be repaired satisfactorily, but I would be wanting to avoid a complete respray, for you and the people repairing it.

As for the BMW, shit happens.

Doubt it was the factory that screwed up, more likely a salesman with crap handwriting, or an admin person at the dealership that ticked the wrong box; either way, you haven't been left without a brand new car to drive around in and they've been able to switch the spec on a pipeline car, so you get it quicker than you did originally.

If you do it enough times, buying cars and bikes creates aggro, that's life, suck it up.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked for BMW for several years and while their production process is good, it isn't foolproof. Misbuilds do sometimes occur at the factories. I once had a MINI turn up at the dealership with different coloured back seats to front! And one with one tinted rear window and one untinted! Although granted that's from a UK factory rather than German, etc. Wrong interior trims is a common misbuild.

The order is placed directly with the factory from the programme the salesman uses to take you through the options. It would be worth checking your signed order form to see what it says about the gearbox. If the order form says manual, you'll have been quoted the price for a manual. If it says auto or semi-auto, then somewhere it's gone wrong along the line!

If they've given you an equivalent courtesy car, it does sound like they've gone wrong somewhere. In the meantime, see it for what it is. As much as you're disappointed about not having the one you ordered, you have a free car for several thousand miles, saving your new one miles and money.

Hope the new one comes through ok. Smile
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: Bad luck? Or just useless dealerships? Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
Recently, Mother & I seem to have had awful luck

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PostPosted: 10:30 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even into a lottery-winner's life a little rain must fall. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
Recently, Mother & I seem to have had awful luck


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PostPosted: 12:15 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you wanted a semi auto BMW. Got a manual... I'd prefer the manual to semi auto but agreed, I'd be pissed if it was the reverse (got semi instead of manual)

With the light falling onto the car...I'd demand it was sent to a decent body shop, probably where mitsubishi send theirs to be repaired.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a similar problem last week. I had a supermodel round and after the third blowjob she went down to make me breakfast and came back with eggs that she'd *clearly* done for 45 seconds too long so the yolks weren't soft enough. Then later on when she was washing my Aston Vanquish in her bikini she didn't even get in between all the spokes on the wheels. Is there anything I can do?

Seriously though - BMW messed up and they've done the best they can to rectify it. Mistakes happen. When you work out how to be perfect you can expect perfection off others. If you'd bought a nice Renault they'd have fobbed you off with a poverty-spec Twingo at best, so just be glad BMW seem to actually feel a bit bad about it.

As for the Evo, yes you should expect it back as you delivered it. If they can't do that you should get compensation. If you're lucky they'll have insurance and it'll all be dealt with nicely. If you're unlucky it'll turn out you've signed a "Garage X cannot be held responsible for..." style disclaimer when you handed it over. So use the goodwill you've built up with them to get a resolution before you wade in with the big legal guns.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: Bad luck? Or just useless dealerships? Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
Recently, Mother & I seem to have had awful luck


Initially, I thought you were a big headed rich prick that referred to his parents as "mother" and "father" as an attempt to be funny, poke fun at the ironic pretence or because it was just an amusing nickname. It was your one redeeming quality.

It seems that you are actually a big headed, whiny, bitty sucking, pretentious douche bag who drives a girl's car.

HTH Thumbs Up .

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PostPosted: 13:34 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this is precisely why I'd rather live frugally with a sensible amount of money...

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PostPosted: 13:41 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least he hasn't mentioned kart racing.......yet.

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PostPosted: 13:50 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
At least he hasn't mentioned kart racing.......yet.

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PostPosted: 14:34 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

skipped through lulzy replies.

First car, ask for how it was and how it should be, no need to get them to buy the car from you, but perhaps ask them to use your paint shop of choice to get it painted, not theres, they have insurance for this, but I doubt insurance would cover them to buy your car for £10k as it is merely cosmetic damage, not binned it on road test.


As for the BMW MTFU and take the manual, semi auo is shit.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 14 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the reason for the semi auto are the injuries he has to his legs.
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