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lukamon
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: whats slowing down my pc? Reply with quote

ok so i installed the new star wars mmo at the weekend, but my computer will barely run it ( massive juddering on min. settings)

so what out of this lot is slowing it down? its a fairly old pc anyways, but here goes

fresh reinstall of xp last week, game is the only thing installed on the pc apart from norton 360

nvid 9500 gt 1gb graph card

amd 4200+ 2.2ghz cpu

2gb (3 sticks) of ram

350psu

NVIDIA® nForce 570 SLI chipset

do i need to bolt on some new bits? ta bcf Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moar Ram Sir!
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you installed the nvidia drivers for the graphics card? If you're relying on the xp drivers you'll be losing a lot of accelleration.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: whats slowing down my pc? Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:


nvid 9500 gt 1gb graph card

2gb (3 sticks) of ram

NVIDIA® nForce 570 SLI chipset

do i need to bolt on some new bits? ta bcf Thumbs Up

Two things I would check first....

Firstly, although you have got NVIDIA SLI I would make sure that the onboard graphics are disabled...they have one third the clockspeed of your 9500 card

Secondly 2GB over 3 sticks is a bad combo...was the original config 2 x 500Mb or 1 x 1Gb?

As has been said I would get at least 3 x 1Gb RAM

That said, check the drivers for the above, a windows update and a driver update may also speed things up.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: whats slowing down my pc? Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
350psu


Need moar powah! Wink

Process Explorer, sort by CPU, look for anything suspicious. Then sort by memory, repeat, then check the resources tab for total memory used and free, see how much is being devoured before the game gets a look in.

Also, check your BIOS for any manual settings that might be down-clocking the CPU or memory.

Oh, and the RAM will likely limited by the lowest speed stick.

If you've so much as touched the Intardtubes with that setup, get HijackThis and see if it turns up anything that you don't want running.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: whats slowing down my pc? Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
fresh reinstall of xp last week, game is the only thing installed on the pc apart from norton 360


Get rid of that.....

Norton has always been known for being a resource hog.....
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much everything needs replacing.
I wouldn't bother bandaiding it with more ram etc as you'll likely get 5% improvement at best plus old DDR2 ram is way more expensive than DDR3 now.
Bite the bullet and build a decent pc that will last the next 5 years and can be upgraded with decent parts.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norton is a giant resource whore Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: whats slowing down my pc? Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
lukamon wrote:
fresh reinstall of xp last week, game is the only thing installed on the pc apart from norton 360


Get rid of that.....

Norton has always been known for being a resource hog.....


Alpha-9 wrote:
Norton is a giant resource whore Thumbs Down


+1 to this!

I used to have McAfee on my system. I noticed a huge performance increase when I removed it. I noticed an increase to the extent that my webcam chats were smooth again rather than choppy (that was mainly a problem with MSN though; it really sucks).
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting, cheers guys Thumbs Up

the origional pc was 2x 500 sticks of ram. i know about what people say about norton but turning it off seems to make no difference.

pretty sure the origional power supply was replaced with the crappy 350w item at some point, what happens if the psu cant supply the right power?

also, the board manufactures website says this about upgrading:
Note) If you install AMD AM3/AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherbord, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec; however, the frequency of AM3/AM2+ CPU will not be impacted. Please refer "CPU Support List" for more information.

what the hell does that mean? i guess with a bios upgrade i can fit a new am3 processor but what am i slowing down? (in english Wink )
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
interesting, cheers guys Thumbs Up

the origional pc was 2x 500 sticks of ram. i know about what people say about norton but turning it off seems to make no difference.

pretty sure the origional power supply was replaced with the crappy 350w item at some point, what happens if the psu cant supply the right power?

also, the board manufactures website says this about upgrading:
Note) If you install AMD AM3/AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherbord, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec; however, the frequency of AM3/AM2+ CPU will not be impacted. Please refer "CPU Support List" for more information.

what the hell does that mean? i guess with a bios upgrade i can fit a new am3 processor but what am i slowing down? (in english Wink )



You'll probably be fine, but newer graphics card (the kind that take their own PSU power) need like 450w at least,, Was the case with mine anyway, why I upgraded to like 800w

Moar powarrr

And norton seems to embed itself in windows itself in a weird way, for AV i prefer to just use somethign like spybot S&D occassioanlly when i think theres a problem, just runs from a folder and isnt running all the time, Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i big hammer will make it go faster. most of your hardware is getting to the end of it life unless you have the confidence and abilty to OC and run custom installs of OS's

the 9500 is just rehash of an older gpu (like alot of nvidia stuff from around that same time (iirc its shrink of the 8500)). the CPU is older then time itself.

if you do go the upgrade route be careful if you buy an AM3 cpu. no all of them have ddr3 controllers, some have both ddr3 and dd3.

the ht link (htyper transport) is amd version of intel FSB (front side bus). it deal with communicating with the rest of the computer (except ram). the faster that runs the faster the whole system goes (that make is sound way more simple than it is). as is if you had and AM3 CPU @ 3ghz and a 5200MHz HT it would be faster than the same cpu at the same core speed but with an HT of 2000
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you use the machine for? If it;s just email and browsing the web get rid of Windows and install Ubuntu. It'll run a lot quicker then.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 11 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
pretty sure the origional power supply was replaced with the crappy 350w item at some point, what happens if the psu cant supply the right power?


Not 100% sure if this is true every time, but nevertheless:
After my Dad bought a BluRay drive for his computer, the computer kept turning itself off. No beeping to indicate an overheat or anything - I just told him that I thought the PSU was knackered (as I had similar symptoms when one of mine was).
He took it to the shop and they told him the wattage was too low. He bought a gaming PSU and it's been fine since. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 12 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a "slightly" better system than you and run the game flawlessly.

I have Windows 7, 3gb ram, same gfx card and a 5200+ processor.

All I have installed is ESET NOD32 antivirus as it stays out of the way!

It seems to run far far better than on the XP machine!
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay i bought another 2 sticks (4gb) of ddr2, seems to have inmproved however

control panel > system says i have 3gb of ram.

system info however, sys i have the full 5.5gb

wtf?[/i]

edit: to clarify, the mobo only has 4 dimm slots so i ditched one of the 512 sticks so i have 4 stick totalling 5.5gb Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

XP will only recognise 3Gb so don't worry about that.

Ditch all of the older sticks. The fact you have 2 512 sticks in there will be slowing things down.....4Gb of new will run faster than 5.5Gb of mixed....bearing in mind that anything over 3Gb will not be used.
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

correct, iirc 32 bit OS can only address 3.5gig system wide, bare in mind that this includes GPU memory and IRQs. most systems generally wont see more than 3 gig once all that has been addressed.

that said you may be able to improve still further by running a custom install using nlite. my custom installed XP laptop is running at less the 800mb most of the time with 1.25gb available but i could have trimmed it down still further than i have.

bt honestly a big hammer and a small pile of cash wold be much more benificial
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
okay i bought another 2 sticks (4gb) of ddr2, seems to have inmproved however

control panel > system says i have 3gb of ram.

system info however, sys i have the full 5.5gb

wtf?[/i]

edit: to clarify, the mobo only has 4 dimm slots so i ditched one of the 512 sticks so i have 4 stick totalling 5.5gb Thumbs Up


whitedevil wrote:
I wouldn't bother bandaiding it with more ram etc as you'll likely get 5% improvement at best plus old DDR2 ram is way more expensive than DDR3 now.
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Upgrade your shiz

I have some old hardware i've been meaning to stick on the bay if anyones after anything (DDR2 RAM, 1.86 duel processor, a 2.4 quad, a decent asus mobo (ithink))

Will have a look when I get home if anyone's interested
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha, its not me that didnt listen its my dad Laughing

it was just less hassle to type "my" than "my dads"

anyhow, he didnt want to spend out on a new system as he doesnt use it for gaming Laughing

ill probably end up buying my own system in the not too distant future Thumbs Up
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