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PostPosted: 20:02 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: suggest me a bike for congested motorway commute Reply with quote

I'm currently commuting about 17 miles of congested motorway filtering with about 3 miles of tighter congested a road and side road filtering to get to work.

Motorway speeds are 25mph to 70mph although more usually 25 to 50mph.

I'm currently using a triumph TT600 which I have had for a few years.
I like the TT600 but i'd like something more upright which is better at low revs.

I was thinking tdm900, but they are a bit heavy. I have thought about cb500 er5 etc but they are unfaired and a bit underpowered maybe.

I've noticed you can get a versys for a bit over £2k and I seem to remember someone on here is a big fan.

I'd consider a big scooter, or a small scooter with an oversize engine, but unfortunately I've become a bit image conscious, so would prefer.

I did own a ttr250 and really liked the long travel suspension on that soaking up speed bumps and the narrow bike with bars that went over car mirrors rather than between them, but I was less keen on the off road tyres, and never got round to working out if I could fit the supermoto wheels.

The bike got nicked but I still have the supermoto wheels including front brake, so I could get another ttr250 and fit them, but I'm not keen on doing motorway speeds on it.

I've seen someone commuting on an oversize ktm that looked good, but I wouldnt want anything too heavy.

I'm lazy with maintenance so would need something pretty bullet proof.

I'm doing 40 miles a day, 200 a week.

I'd consider spending £2-£3k. I tend to think if I spend £1k or less I run the risk of buying a bag of problems.

I'm recently on top of little maintenance/reliability problems with my current bike.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Versys and they are a great bike.

Should do the job you want very well.

Screen protection is Ok. Some people are happy with std others prefer one of the many aftermarket.

7.5K service intervals. Plugs seem to last for ever. High 50 to 60 mpg.

Not sure what size height wise, but there a 3 diffrent seat options.

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PostPosted: 20:52 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know you say you don't want anything too heavy, but I'm just going to put this out there anyway,

DRZ 400? Razz

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PostPosted: 21:30 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i certainly dont think a drz400 would be too heavy, id just want one with supermoto wheels and i think they are available like that as standard, might be a good idea, as i could then take it offroad at weekends in winter too
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
I have a Versys and they are a great bike.

Should do the job you want very well.

Screen protection is Ok. Some people are happy with std others prefer one of the many aftermarket.

7.5K service intervals. Plugs seem to last for ever. High 50 to 60 mpg.

Not sure what size height wise, but there a 3 diffrent seat options.

Very good user forum


the only 650 twin i have ridden was a sv650 and i dont remember that being vibey, but people say the versys is a bit vibey on the bum and mirrors, whats it like at 70 or 50?

barely noticeable or slightly annoying ?
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: suggest me a bike for congested motorway commute Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
I'm currently commuting about 17 miles of congested motorway filtering with about 3 miles of tighter congested a road and side road filtering to get to work.

Motorway speeds are 25mph to 70mph although more usually 25 to 50mph.

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I have thought about cb500 er5 etc but they are unfaired and a bit underpowered maybe.


CB500 would be perfect, you don't need a fairing under 70mph, just a small fly screen would keep the wind off, and 70mph is about 6000rpm which is fairly calm for the CB, once it hits 8000 it's a different character. Top end is around 115mph, but my neck gets more uncomfortable after 90mph before the bike starts to struggle.

Tank range is about 185 to reserve with another 40 on top of that, I average between 58 and 64MPG depending on my mood. Even in a calm mood I'm usually +10mph on the speed limits anyhoo.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldnt some kinda offroader style thing with supermoto wheels be better? As your sat higher up with a better view of the road as your taller. Should be pretty narrow too to help filtering.

Also... if you really get bored, just cut a straight route through the fields Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
I know you say you don't want anything too heavy, but I'm just going to put this out there anyway,

DRZ 400? Razz

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I agree an SM would be a good bike choice, but the DRZ400's are really really slow and underpowered for a Supermoto. the KTM's and Husky's are where you need to be looking.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maxi scooter FTW. Suzuki Burgman 400 maybe?

If I had that sort of crappy commute, and was going to do it on 2 wheels I'd have a scootay.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

as much as it hurts to say, yes a burgman or equivalent. As long s you still have a REAL bike for the play days
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that literally all you do on it? And can you only have one bike?

Thats not hugely dissimilar to my commute, which I'd be quite happy doing on a 250 - even a 125 wouldn't be that much slower I don't think, but I've only got room for one bike, hence not having one.

If I was picking a new bike for my commute it'd be a big naked since I don't need the luggage anymore. B12 or similar.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: suggest me a bike for congested motorway commute Reply with quote

I'd suspect that a good way to get something 'better at low revs' would be to gear the TT for the same speeds as the bikes you're looking at Smile.

I doubt you're going to find much lighter than the TDM in a 'big' guise with lots of power - at least without spending lots of money on KTMs and the like.

Though, if you don't mind a bit of an agricultural feel, the Cagiva 900 elephant, or possibly the Gran Canyon.

As far as trail tyres etc - you can get pretty grippy road rubber in trail sizes.

For motorway commuting, I'd actually hesitate to suggest my usual suggestion of a 1000cc sports bike. Well, for me I would - as I'd be worried I'd make a bit too much use of it.
Narrow bikes are all well and good; but my usual repost is that with the wide bars you still won't be able to get through as tight spots as widier sports bike with narrow bars and mirrors that fold in.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mk1GSF wrote:

Two different types of 'twin'. SV is a V Twin, Versys is a Parallel twin.

yes, i know that
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: suggest me a bike for congested motorway commute Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:


CB500 would be perfect, you don't need a fairing under 70mph, just a small fly screen would keep the wind off, and 70mph is about 6000rpm which is fairly calm for the CB, once it hits 8000 it's a different character. Top end is around 115mph, but my neck gets more uncomfortable after 90mph before the bike starts to struggle.

Tank range is about 185 to reserve with another 40 on top of that, I average between 58 and 64MPG depending on my mood. Even in a calm mood I'm usually +10mph on the speed limits anyhoo.


lots of peoples suggestions here are very persuasive

someone suggests a drz400 and i start to settle on that
a versys and it seems like the natural choice

a cb500, and again it seems the only choice
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 23 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:
Maxi scooter FTW. Suzuki Burgman 400 maybe?

If I had that sort of crappy commute, and was going to do it on 2 wheels I'd have a scootay.


Yeah I used to have a yp250 which is almost as nippy as a small scoot but maxi with big screen, ok to about 55mph not much fun above that

i've also owned a 2 stroke 180 gilera runner, which is great in stop go traffic but might be a bit thirsty for this longer commute, but a runner vxr200 may be ideal if it werent for image

the runners handle much better than bulky maxi scooter, so you can ride at higher speeds when filtering with confidence

i tried a burgman 400 and it wasnt nippy enough for my liking although i guess that mightmake it good and settled at motorway speeds i seem to remember it was ok to about 80

however, i think im more image conscious than i used to be, so dont want to get a scooter

the tt600 isnt worth much, so I wouldnt sell it, so the commuter would be a second bike

i dont agree with G about gearing, as the tt600 is lumpy at low revs whereas bikes designed for going slow like dirt bikes, or commuting are designed to be fairly smooth at low revs

I could just ride the tt600 everwhere in first but i dont think this will do much for my mpg

as for G's thoughts on rubber, for me its as much about the profile of the tyres as how grippy, offroad ones having a square profile and things like sportsbike or supermoto tyres having a rounded profile

as there are no cagiva900s or Gran Canyons on ebay im thinking they are too rare to be worth bothering looking for

EDIT found one

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1995-Cagiva-Elefant-750-/370594755519?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item56492b33bf

but i prefer the river

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-CAGIVA-RIVER-BLUE-/170805631295?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item27c4cf193f
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 23 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I expected G's usual "GSXR1000 because it has infinite torque and any V twin is crap and stuff"

I didn't happen, wow Shocked.

I would have said an old crappy hack TBF but I don't really commute on motorbikes anymore so couldn't say.
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 23 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB900f Hornet and stick a larger screen on it. Cos I just got one basically... does fit the bill though. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 23 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:

i dont agree with G about gearing, as the tt600 is lumpy at low revs whereas bikes designed for going slow like dirt bikes, or commuting are designed to be fairly smooth at low revs

TT600 must be geared for at least 60 (I'd expect a bit more) in first gear. On a dirt bike, that's likely to be 4th out of 6 gears.
Try riding at low speeds (ie 10mph in 4th gear on said single) and I suspect you'll find a much jerkier delivery.

Similar, for a 500cc commuter though maybe a bit lower gear, depending on the bike - tend to be a good chunk lower geared.

As for the shape of dirt bike tyres - trials tyres tend to be fairly 'square', as do some semi-trail kinda ones. However, enduro and motocross tyres tend to be reasonable round - whether you get to use that bit of the tyre on the road is another matter. Gaz had an interesting tyre on the motocross bike he had - it was round with knobbles right to vertical.

The Cagiva River makes around 33hp - certainly not going to have a lot of low down power, what with not having a lot of power in the first place Smile.
Oh and pretty damn sure they were all singles - so a rather confused seller that thinks it's a twin! More worrying when it seems to be a trade seller.
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PostPosted: 06:16 - 23 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
but people say the versys is a bit vibey on the bum and mirrors, whats it like at 70 or 50?

barely noticeable or slightly annoying ?


Mine is a 07 1st edition.

Bum wise never noticed, even though I have a lowered seat.
Mirrors do get a bit, but personally does not bother me.

No issues at the speeds you mention.

I have used Avon Distenza on the V and they worked just fine on the road. Got 9K from the pair.
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 23 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sako wrote:
bikertomm wrote:
I know you say you don't want anything too heavy, but I'm just going to put this out there anyway,

DRZ 400? Razz

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I agree an SM would be a good bike choice, but the DRZ400's are really really slow and underpowered for a Supermoto. the KTM's and Husky's are where you need to be looking.


Mmmhmm, but if he wants to use it as a commuter, I'd be looking at getting a DRZ from like 02/03 with SM set up in it, The 400E has a bit more power..Not alot mind. Wouldn't like riding a KTM or Husky as a commuter given the servicing Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 23 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Not alot mind. Wouldn't like riding a KTM or Husky as a commuter given the servicing Laughing

As opposed to the similar level Suzuki with a similar level of servicing, but lower gearing so, so less suitable for motorway use?

I wouldn't choose a supermoto for motorway commuting at all really - it's not like you really need the extra low weight etc.
Saying that, did use the KTM a bit as the wide bars and panniers weren't an issue and I could easily stow all my stuff in said panniers at the other end.

For me, I'd be sticking to a narrow bike due to the aforementioned narrow roads that I've just read are present.
If I had the budget, I think I'd consider the F800s - a modern TRX850, but probably better fuel economy and service intervals.
But, that would beg the question of whether that would be any better than a cheap SV650, which you shouldn't lose much on depreciation wise.
And that would beg the question - why not just use the TT and see if you can still get acceptable fuel economy with it down geared a bit Smile.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 23 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it seems the particularly congested motorway was just a 4 day glitch possibly due to a truck totalling a bridge near the m42.

Maybe traffic was having to come my way for a bit and now it can go its own way.

Whatever the reason, today there was hardly any traffic, so the tt600 was perfect for the job, and I cant justify getting something else unless I decided I wanted to commute through the city rather than by motorway, which I don't.
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