A whole load of sh1t.

[connornrg]

So here's the rundown

*Brothers bike broken.
*Brother takes my bike.
*Brother lends my bike to his friend.
*His friend gets pulled over for cutting MARKED UNIT up on a roundabout.

Transpires friend does not have FC ins entitled to ride other bikes, now I turned up V5, licence and ins in hand and now being told recovery truck already been called and cannot take my bike home.

"Friend" was marched home by me and his mum is paying recovery fee etc, however I know have to stand in court to explain why I let him ride my bike!! and why I shouldn't get 6 points!!

Anyone, help and opinions... anything.. please?
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[CaNsA]

Hold on a sec, you leant it to your bro.
Your bro leant it to his mate
Your bro should get the points.

But hell.... This is the british justice system. I'd be surprised if they didnt try and pin the 15tonnes of pot they found under the seat on you.

[connornrg]

The rider is saying I gave him permission, removing my brother from equation.
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[Billing]

What a sneaky little bastard, tell the police you didn't give him permission and try and have him for TWOC.
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[CaNsA]

[connornrg]

[CaNsA]

Look mate,

You either be all "matey" and get shafted or you tell them to stop fucking about and make them tell the truth.

They cant be that nice a family if they are willing to fuck you over.....

[connornrg]

They are paying to get it out.
However he's trying to say he never told me he had 3rd party, he's ridden it before under this pretence.
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[WannaBeDude]

Your a cunt, aka probably young.
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[connornrg]

[Billing]

[WannaBeDude]

Two pedis good for you, and level 2 good for you too, cunt.

If your prepared to be banned and suffer higher insurance for this other cunt then your all cunts and deserve what you get.
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[connornrg]

[CaNsA]

You told the coppers that you gave him permission?

If that the case then you are fuxord.
It is your responsibility to check his insurance actually covers him to ride other bikes.
Even if someone says "I am covered" it is upto to check his docs.

[Paulington]

[Billing]

Not the best situation to be in really, 5-0 operate on a 'no takesie backsies' policy, if they've written it down that you said you said it was ok for him to ride it'll likely come up in court if you then deny it, and could amount to perverting the course of justice or something (you told them that to stop him from being nicked, when really he should have been)

You could try to argue in court that he had told you he was covered under a FC policy, it would help if you had a witness (your brother might want to help you out, seeing as this is partly his doing) but they might point out it is your duty to make sure that anyone using your vehicle has the appropriate cover.

TL;DR
Take some lube and something to bite down on, you're probably going to need it.

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[_Iain_]

[iooi]

[yen_powell]

This actually happened to me, so here's how it affected me.

I lent my bike to an ex mate so he could go and visit his girlfriend in hospital 50 miles away. He had insurance covering him to ride other bikes (or so I thought, it was cancelled a few days before).

Coming back he did something stupid on a motorway and was stopped. He panicked , knew full well he had no insurance and gave my name and a wrong date of birth. This was pre-computer days, they wrote him a ticket for what he'd done (in my name) and let him go.

This happened overnight. In the morning my bike was back in the front garden.

That evening he came and confessed all. I marched him down the police station and he repeated what happened to Dixon of Dock Green. I was told to ignore the summons I would receive through the post and he would get one instead. Being young and unwise I thought that was the end of it. I didn't understand that I was responsible for the insurance situation.

A few weeks later a rozzer on a police bike turns up at my home and asks me if the bike was taken without my consent. Thinking this was a really bad offence (which it actually isn't) I said no, I had given permission. I was then asked if my insurance covered the other rider. Of course it didn't.

I received 4 points and a large fine, which my ex mate paid. He received a short ban of a few weeks and a large fine. At the time it was 4-6 points for this so my letter of mitigation must have worked if only a little.

My insurance for the bike never went up because of this. But a few years later I bought a car and got insurance, declared all the points I had. A few weeks into the policy cover was withdrawn because of this particular incident. The underwriters weren't happy with that particular offence code. I got my money back but from then on I had a refusal to insure on my records, which cause me problems for a few years (oddly only on car policies).

He never had any such trouble just slightly heavier premiums for one or two years.
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[Cheeseybeaner]

[pendulum]

You have hung yourself, if you had just said "No I didn't give him permission" and he said "Yes he did give me permission" he might have got nicked but good chance he wouldn't have got charged for TWOC, as it can't be proved either way... that would have left him with the no insurance to deal with, probably just a £200 and 6 points fixed penalty...

You need a new friend and brother

[Kwaks]

First up DOC cover is not restricted to fully comp insurance, however most policies exempt DOC from people under 25
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[instigator]

Simply state that he told you that he had insurance to ride it. He might not back that statement up and if he doesn't, he deserves a kicking. And if he does back that statement up, you'll get off ok. Like I did.

[Rogerborg]

Well, you're a daft prat, but that goes with the territory, and your brother's "mate" is far worse. He was riding it like it was stolen, because it was stolen.

You are being properly stitched up by this "mate", so explain to him clearly that the only reason he's not being prosecuted for TWOCing it is that you've screwed yourself by covering for him.

What you'll want to get him to do is put in writing that he assured you (not your brother, don't change your lies now) that he had 3rd party cover and sign it, one copy dated today in the past tense ("I told the daft prat I had insurance...") and one in present tense back dated to before he TWOCed it ("You daft prat, I have insurance...").

Then you go down to the cop shop and plead your case. If if it's already been passed on to the CPS, then just sit tight and wait for the summons.

If you're summonsed, speak to a specialist motoring solicitor. Explain your story - whichever one you settle on, but do not change it again - show this "mate's" statements and ask whether in his experience the RTA 1988 Section 143 3 (c) defence applies to a 1 (b) offence.

Considering that you're likely to lose your license over it - new drivers act, right? - as well as get an insurance raping of cosmic proportions, do not just plead guilty then spend the next 5 years pissing and moaning about the situation. Make the prosecution prove their case.

Weigh up the costs of professional representation versus arguing this yourself. Don't be shy about contacting the CPS prosecutor directly before the court hearing, citing the RTA as above and explaining that you have a signed statement and that the "mate" is ready to swear to in court (bet he won't though) and see if they drop it.

Ask again at the courtroom door.

And I guess you already know, but anything that you say to a copper can and will be used against you. Least said, soonest mended in future, eh?
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[Taught2BCauti...]

If you had told the plod that your Bro's mate didn't have permission to ride, he would have been nicked for 'Taking Without Consent' (TWOC).