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you get raped if you're not restricted, and lose your licence as its within 2 years of passing your test. Just man up and take the restriction, better that then taking your tests all over again, plenty of time to be fast after  ____________________ Ybr 125 > Bandit 650SA > GSXR 600 > Triumph Sprint St1050 > CB1300 > Z1000SX + FJ1200 (written off) > VFR750 >FJ1200 |
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It's a real difficult one. Bikes become gutless when restricted. Just seems a shame.
Currently got a gs500 and a zzr600. Gs is restricted, and zzr will be i reckon. Just to be safe.. |
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Look on the bright side, if you're not bothered about riding in accordance with your license, then it doesn't matter if you lose it.  
Now, I'm not recommending anything but... in practice, unless you bin it and the bike is taken away for examination, or you pass a jam sandwich at already license-losing speeds, then I'd imagine that merely having a bit of paper saying "25kW TOTES TRUE BRO" with some sort of appropriate letterhead or crest or Great Seal on it would suffice to placate both insurers and coppers. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Other Than in Accordance With Licence Entitlement = 3-6
Riding without 'Valid' 3rd Party Insurance = 6-8
The insurance issue is a grey area. If you have obtained insurance by deception, that isn't an issue of road law. As far as the RTA is concerned, if an insurance certificate has your name on it, and identifies the vehicle as described on the log book, then Ins Co are liable for third party losses, ergo, you are insured as far as the RTA is concerned.
| Quote: | IN10 Using a vehicle uninsured against third party risks. |
May be difficult to prosecute.
Unless the bike is quite definitely NOT what's on the log-book; Ie you had insurance for a moped, reg'd HUE 356V, Frame Number DT50M100078B657, Engine No; AT50X998888, and had hung the number plate on a Hyabusa, so only thing that matched was the number-plate!
Not too sure what the take would be if the engine number was wrong, because you had fitted say an RD80MX engine to the DT50 registered... engine swap alone, doesn't invalidate registration... as far as demanding re-registration, but Is delarable, though commonly not, for an engine swap.
Ultimately; if you had a car driving licence before passing bike test, you wouldn't be subject to an instant BAN, 'just' for not being restricted, even if you got maximum 6 points for the offense.
Whether you would get full penalty points, or any others for add on offenses I suspect would be circumstance dependent.
But, if your bike licence was your first full licence, under new driver rules, then 6 points would be enough to see licence 'Revoked' I believe, rather than 'suspended'.
Ie rather than waiting out the ban period and getting the licence back, possibly with 'extended re-test', I think you'd just have it taken off you and have to start over, from scratch, repeating ALL the mods, and I think tests for all groups of licence formally held..
Ie If I was 'banned'... I think I would merely have to obstain from driving for ban period, then do the 'extended' re-test for my car licence, and I would get back all the groups entitlements I had before ban.
If a 'new Driver' had same groups as me; then they would probably have to re-take motor-bike test, car test, light goods test and the trailer test! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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| Quote: | Other Than in Accordance With Licence Entitlement = 3-6
Riding without 'Valid' 3rd Party Insurance = 6-8
The insurance issue is a grey area. If you have obtained insurance by deception, that isn't an issue of road law. As far as the RTA is concerned, if an insurance certificate has your name on it, and identifies the vehicle as described on the log book, then Ins Co are liable for third party losses, ergo, you are insured as far as the RTA is concerned.
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I don't think it would be difficult at all Mike. All of my insurance policies have stated quite clearly:
"Provided that the person driving holds a license to drive the vehicle or has held and is not disqualified or prohibited by law from holding or obtaining such a license"
And the cops obviously know this, so whilst you might just get away with being nicked for not having a license (Other than in accordance), it would only take a call to the insurer to see if you're covered for vehicles outside your license class to find out you aren't insured. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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| Pete. wrote: | All of my insurance policies have stated quite clearly:
"Provided that the person driving holds a license to drive the vehicle or has held and is not disqualified or prohibited by law from holding or obtaining such a license" |
They could also state "Providing that the person driving wears pink underpants and sings 'Yankee Doodle Dandy' in a Welsh accent", but what insurers say and what courts might accept is a very different question.
We've seen a few people here who've pleaded guilty to no insurance, but given the penalties for it, you'd be a chump not to fight it and say "Look, it's either RTA compliant indemnity, or it isn't, they can't just change their minds from one second to the next." ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
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