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mysterious_rider
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: How many points for no restriction? Reply with quote

Hi dudes, just wondering about how many points would you recieve for not having your bike restricted?

Anyone know the true answer? Heard it's 6.


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PostPosted: 13:55 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken from https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/EndorsementsAndDisqualifications/DG_10022425

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LC20

Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence

3-6

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PostPosted: 13:55 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's basically:

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LC20 Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence 3-6
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:02 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you also get the points for driving without insurance as your insurance is invalid?

I thought if you get caught it was a pretty much by by license?
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Redoko wrote:


I thought if you get caught it was a pretty much by by license?


Only because usually people on a 33bhp license, would also lose their license if they get 6 points under the new drivers act, which applies for 2 years from your first entitlement.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

you get raped if you're not restricted, and lose your licence as its within 2 years of passing your test. Just man up and take the restriction, better that then taking your tests all over again, plenty of time to be fast after Razz
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the OP the same person who said his friend lost his license due to having no restrictors in? If anything, that should be enough encouragement to use them.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Redoko wrote:


I thought if you get caught it was a pretty much by by license?


Only because usually people on a 33bhp license, would also lose their license if they get 6 points under the new drivers act, which applies for 2 years from your first entitlement.


Ah forgot about the new drivers act.

Thanks, cleared it up.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:
Isn't the OP the same person who said his friend lost his license due to having no restrictors in? If anything, that should be enough encouragement to use them.


Or perhaps encouragement not to get caught. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a real difficult one. Bikes become gutless when restricted. Just seems a shame. Laughing

Currently got a gs500 and a zzr600. Gs is restricted, and zzr will be i reckon. Just to be safe..
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look on the bright side, if you're not bothered about riding in accordance with your license, then it doesn't matter if you lose it. Thumbs UpWinkThumbs Up

Now, I'm not recommending anything but... in practice, unless you bin it and the bike is taken away for examination, or you pass a jam sandwich at already license-losing speeds, then I'd imagine that merely having a bit of paper saying "25kW TOTES TRUE BRO" with some sort of appropriate letterhead or crest or Great Seal on it would suffice to placate both insurers and coppers.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do some mock insurance quotes (false contact details) before and after a 'Driving otherwise in accordance with a licence' conviction. Not done it (the mock quote) myself but keep hearing it puts up insurance A LOT! If so that might be the real killer, not the points.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other Than in Accordance With Licence Entitlement = 3-6
Riding without 'Valid' 3rd Party Insurance = 6-8

The insurance issue is a grey area. If you have obtained insurance by deception, that isn't an issue of road law. As far as the RTA is concerned, if an insurance certificate has your name on it, and identifies the vehicle as described on the log book, then Ins Co are liable for third party losses, ergo, you are insured as far as the RTA is concerned.
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IN10 Using a vehicle uninsured against third party risks.

May be difficult to prosecute.

Unless the bike is quite definitely NOT what's on the log-book; Ie you had insurance for a moped, reg'd HUE 356V, Frame Number DT50M100078B657, Engine No; AT50X998888, and had hung the number plate on a Hyabusa, so only thing that matched was the number-plate!

Not too sure what the take would be if the engine number was wrong, because you had fitted say an RD80MX engine to the DT50 registered... engine swap alone, doesn't invalidate registration... as far as demanding re-registration, but Is delarable, though commonly not, for an engine swap.

Ultimately; if you had a car driving licence before passing bike test, you wouldn't be subject to an instant BAN, 'just' for not being restricted, even if you got maximum 6 points for the offense.

Whether you would get full penalty points, or any others for add on offenses I suspect would be circumstance dependent.

But, if your bike licence was your first full licence, under new driver rules, then 6 points would be enough to see licence 'Revoked' I believe, rather than 'suspended'.

Ie rather than waiting out the ban period and getting the licence back, possibly with 'extended re-test', I think you'd just have it taken off you and have to start over, from scratch, repeating ALL the mods, and I think tests for all groups of licence formally held..

Ie If I was 'banned'... I think I would merely have to obstain from driving for ban period, then do the 'extended' re-test for my car licence, and I would get back all the groups entitlements I had before ban.

If a 'new Driver' had same groups as me; then they would probably have to re-take motor-bike test, car test, light goods test and the trailer test!
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Other Than in Accordance With Licence Entitlement = 3-6
Riding without 'Valid' 3rd Party Insurance = 6-8

The insurance issue is a grey area. If you have obtained insurance by deception, that isn't an issue of road law. As far as the RTA is concerned, if an insurance certificate has your name on it, and identifies the vehicle as described on the log book, then Ins Co are liable for third party losses, ergo, you are insured as far as the RTA is concerned.
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IN10 Using a vehicle uninsured against third party risks.

May be difficult to prosecute.


I don't think it would be difficult at all Mike. All of my insurance policies have stated quite clearly:

"Provided that the person driving holds a license to drive the vehicle or has held and is not disqualified or prohibited by law from holding or obtaining such a license"

And the cops obviously know this, so whilst you might just get away with being nicked for not having a license (Other than in accordance), it would only take a call to the insurer to see if you're covered for vehicles outside your license class to find out you aren't insured.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone on here always says to just print out a fake receipt for the restriction incase you get stopped. I would have thought that would suffice most of the time, unless you ended up in a serious crash or was caught doing stupid speeds.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better if it's a "genuine" piece of paper and then remove the restriction afterwards ...
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayrton wrote:
Everyone on here always says to just print out a fake receipt for the restriction incase you get stopped. I would have thought that would suffice most of the time, unless you ended up in a serious crash or was caught doing stupid speeds.


Everyone doesn't say that. The police can test your bike certificate or not and they will if they think you aren't restricted.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Everyone doesn't say that. The police can test your bike certificate or not and they will if they think you aren't restricted.

That's true, but how often does it actually happen? A piece of paper MAY be enough to make them think it's not worth the bother. Especially if they themselves don't really know the law, which isn't exactly rare.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:

Everyone doesn't say that. The police can test your bike certificate or not and they will if they think you aren't restricted.

Well a few people Laughing
A well made certificate would satisfy the police if they just pulled you over because your lights out or something. As far as they can see your bike is restricted, i doubt they will waste any more of there time testing the bike unless they have reason to believe its not.
And like the guy above me said, most of the coppers have no idea about the restriction law. Im pretty sure if i pulled out a 'valid' certificate if i got stopped they would just accept it and be on there way.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Ayrton wrote:
Everyone on here always says to just print out a fake receipt for the restriction incase you get stopped. I would have thought that would suffice most of the time, unless you ended up in a serious crash or was caught doing stupid speeds.


Everyone doesn't say that. The police can test your bike certificate or not and they will if they think you aren't restricted.


They can test your bike and they will,dont bikers on the whole get enough hassle from time to time without giving the law another reason to hassle us chasing unliscenced and uninsured riders,and you would be riding uninsured so that would screw you up for a while ,just get on with it and suck it up we have all had to do it in one way or another ,it wasnt all fun and games riding a 250 on 'L' plates but many of us just put up with it until we could do our test ,Man up and sit it out its in place for a reason Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 11 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordShaftesbury wrote:
Better if it's a "genuine" piece of paper and then remove the restriction afterwards ...


There is no such thing as a genuine "legal" piece of paper.....

Only if you have fallen for the crap that F1 would have you believe.

Wonder if producing a piece of paper to say it was restricted and bike was then tested and failed if......

Perverting the course of justice

could come into play
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
LordShaftesbury wrote:
Better if it's a "genuine" piece of paper and then remove the restriction afterwards ...


There is no such thing as a genuine "legal" piece of paper.....

I know, that's why I put it in inverted commas.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
All of my insurance policies have stated quite clearly:

"Provided that the person driving holds a license to drive the vehicle or has held and is not disqualified or prohibited by law from holding or obtaining such a license"


They could also state "Providing that the person driving wears pink underpants and sings 'Yankee Doodle Dandy' in a Welsh accent", but what insurers say and what courts might accept is a very different question.

We've seen a few people here who've pleaded guilty to no insurance, but given the penalties for it, you'd be a chump not to fight it and say "Look, it's either RTA compliant indemnity, or it isn't, they can't just change their minds from one second to the next."
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordShaftesbury wrote:
Pete. wrote:
Everyone doesn't say that. The police can test your bike certificate or not and they will if they think you aren't restricted.

That's true, but how often does it actually happen? A piece of paper MAY be enough to make them think it's not worth the bother. Especially if they themselves don't really know the law, which isn't exactly rare.


And then it's fraud on top of everything else Rolling Eyes
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