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PostPosted: 15:56 - 31 Mar 2012    Post subject: Bridgestone BT-023's - weird rear tyre wear Reply with quote

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Has anyone used these tyres for a decent amount of miles?

I bought my bike s/h with these fitted and they're not particularly worn, so I'd guess they're ~2000 miles old.

I think the guy that had the bike before did a fair bit of motorway / straight A road jaunting. Now I'm using the bike a bit more for twisties there's some oddness developing and I'm starting to really lose confidence in the bike Sad

First off - when you look at the rear tyre when it's clean of grit etc you can see the different colour of the soft compound on the outer edge and the harder, darker compound in the middle. Fair enough - but when you run your finger across the cross section you can actually feel the 'ridge' in either side, and it's actually quite prominent Shocked

The bike feels skittish when leaned over a little not a lot. Lean through it and get the bike over nicely and it's fine, but then as you accelerate out the other side of a bend if you put the power on with the bike just a little off upright you can feel it get a wobble on Shocked . Really not keen on that, not keen at all.

It's kind of like there's plenty of grip, but it just feels totally weird, like the wheel is moving side to side through the corner rather than running clean.

Should I just ditch 'em? Sad
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 31 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyres are squared off - ditch them and get some new ones.

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PostPosted: 16:02 - 31 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:
Tyres are squared off - ditch them and get some new ones.

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Cheers Thumbs Up

I think I'll go back to Pilot Road 2's or 3's if they're not much more £££ as I really liked them on my CBR.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 31 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tyres are squared off. It is NOT the type of tyre!

023's are AWESOME tyres. bags and bags of grip, rain or shine. I had Pilot road 2's on my last bike and there is not much in it, but i would say the 023 is slightly better in the wet.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 31 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean-J wrote:
The tyres are squared off. It is NOT the type of tyre!

023's are AWESOME tyres. bags and bags of grip, rain or shine. I had Pilot road 2's on my last bike and there is not much in it, but i would say the 023 is slightly better in the wet.


That's interesting. I've got to say I found them very twitchy in the wet when I first picked the bike up, but maybe they are just 'past it' and square, or maybe I just wasn't used to the torque from the triple.

It definitely doesn't inspire any confidence at all at the moment, wasn't a fun ride today Sad
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 31 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean-J wrote:
023's are AWESOME tyres. bags and bags of grip, rain or shine. I had Pilot road 2's on my last bike and there is not much in it, but i would say the 023 is slightly better in the wet.

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PostPosted: 19:42 - 31 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Dean-J wrote:
The tyres are squared off. It is NOT the type of tyre!

023's are AWESOME tyres. bags and bags of grip, rain or shine. I had Pilot road 2's on my last bike and there is not much in it, but i would say the 023 is slightly better in the wet.


That's interesting. I've got to say I found them very twitchy in the wet when I first picked the bike up, but maybe they are just 'past it' and square, or maybe I just wasn't used to the torque from the triple.

It definitely doesn't inspire any confidence at all at the moment, wasn't a fun ride today Sad


Admittedly I've never ridden on 023's but PR2's and Pilot Power's have always gripped superbly whatever the condition's (I dont drive so the bike is used daily, whatever the weather) and offered a shitload of lifespan.

I personally choose Michelin every time over any other brand.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 31 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:

but maybe they are just 'past it' and square, or maybe I just wasn't used to the torque from the triple.


Definately this

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PostPosted: 07:35 - 01 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shereen wrote:
Tyres are squared off - ditch them and get some new ones.

Problem solved. Thumbs Up


This +1


Dean-J wrote:
The tyres are squared off. It is NOT the type of tyre!

023's are AWESOME tyres. bags and bags of grip, rain or shine. I had Pilot road 2's on my last bike and there is not much in it, but i would say the 023 is slightly better in the wet.


And this +1

I had the 023's fitted to my Gixxer and I found them confidence inspiring. They were grippy in all sorts of weather and in the late summer sun they just stuck to the road.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 01 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:


I had the 023's fitted to my Gixxer and I found them confidence inspiring. They were grippy in all sorts of weather and in the late summer sun they just stuck to the road.


That's good to know then, so if I replaced like for like I shouldn't be disappointed.

What's got me is how weird the wear is though - there's a noticeable 'step' in the tyre on the line of the two compounds. Never seen that before.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen that happen to a pair of 023's before. They do seem to square quite badly on certain bikes for some reason! ( front and back)
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean-J wrote:
The tyres are squared off. It is NOT the type of tyre!

023's are AWESOME tyres. bags and bags of grip, rain or shine. I had Pilot road 2's on my last bike and there is not much in it, but i would say the 023 is slightly better in the wet.


this.

had em on track on a 600RR at ron haslam and have them on my blade road bike which i ride come rain or shine.. superb grid, confidence and wear.

my last rear lasted 8500 ish miles and the front is good as new.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 04 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick up a picture?

I'd be very suprised if it was squared off after 2k miles.

They're fantastic and I highly approve of the 023.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 04 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure you've checked the pressures, but... have you checked the pressures. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 04 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: Bridgestone BT-023's - weird rear tyre wear Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Hi

Has anyone used these tyres for a decent amount of miles?

I bought my bike s/h with these fitted and they're not particularly worn, so I'd guess they're ~2000 miles old.

I think the guy that had the bike before did a fair bit of motorway / straight A road jaunting. Now I'm using the bike a bit more for twisties there's some oddness developing and I'm starting to really lose confidence in the bike Sad

First off - when you look at the rear tyre when it's clean of grit etc you can see the different colour of the soft compound on the outer edge and the harder, darker compound in the middle. Fair enough - but when you run your finger across the cross section you can actually feel the 'ridge' in either side, and it's actually quite prominent Shocked

The bike feels skittish when leaned over a little not a lot. Lean through it and get the bike over nicely and it's fine, but then as you accelerate out the other side of a bend if you put the power on with the bike just a little off upright you can feel it get a wobble on Shocked . Really not keen on that, not keen at all.

It's kind of like there's plenty of grip, but it just feels totally weird, like the wheel is moving side to side through the corner rather than running clean.

Should I just ditch 'em? Sad


It could also be the previous bloke panic braking hard into bends and causing flat spots as well as general squaring off, BT-023's are very well rated but if you want to try something different try the new S20's from Bridgestone.

Wicked grippy tyre, fast warmup and so far good in the wet too. It depends on what you want from a tyre though, BT-023 is their sport touring tyre which, while grippy enough, is designed for higher mileage than more sport biased rubber.

Other worth looking at in this genre are Metzeler M5 Interacts and Dunlop Sportsmarts, if you want sport touring for mileage you can look at Roadsmart 2 or the Z8 Interacts from the same guys but really what you have is a good tyre already.

It's amazing what a fresh, rounded tyre feels like in comparison to a flattened, worn old hoop Smile
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 04 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I'm sure you've checked the pressures, but... have you checked the pressures. Wink


Yes, pressures have been checked, are checked every time I go out, and are fine. There's 14psi in the back and 6psi in the front - that's right, isn't it? Very Happy

I remember now when I took it home banking over on a motorway about 85 ish and feeling a bit of a wobble and getting a bit scared, but dismissed it as not knowing bike / cold / wet conditions. It definitely seems to be getting worse or have gotten worse since then.

It's hard to get a picture up of it as, although you can 'see it' - a picture isn't going to allow you to 'see it'. But it's definitely very pronounced; it's a ridge about 6-8mm wide either side of the softer compound.

There's buckets of tread left so maybe if people are getting ~8k out of a set they're a bit older than I first thought....
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 04 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry if this has been said but dont forget 023s are duel compound hard in middle and sorfter on edges mine went flat in centre rather quickly but i had put some miles on then i suppose.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 04 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

devojunior wrote:
sorry if this has been said but dont forget 023s are duel compound hard in middle and sorfter on edges mine went flat in centre rather quickly but i had put some miles on then i suppose.


Yeah I know that mate Smile As I say, it's not so much the middle gone flat as much as the 'ridge' in the transition between the two compounds. It's bloody weird...
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 04 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any chance the centres are 'stepped' at the compound join because the last owner overinflated the tyres - running the centres over emphasised, ran them like a pussy (straight lines, M/ways and low lean angles on corners) then you are running them normal pressures which puts them back into the right shape?

Cant think of any reason why the soft edges are not worn while the centres are.

Bin 'em off and get some S20's Smile
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 04 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Any chance the centres are 'stepped' at the compound join because the last owner overinflated the tyres - running the centres over emphasised, ran them like a pussy (straight lines, M/ways and low lean angles on corners) then you are running them normal pressures which puts them back into the right shape?

Cant think of any reason why the soft edges are not worn while the centres are.

Bin 'em off and get some S20's Smile


Sounds entirely plausible. I guess now they're a) correct pressure and b) being used on the edges more, is just going to show it up even more.

Well, new tyres is the order of the day. I'll get something sorted this weekend hopefully.
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PostPosted: 06:07 - 05 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personal opinion, I'm on my second set of PR3's on the Tiger. Got ~9k miles out of the last set and changed them as the were pretty worn and quite squared off.

I really like them, find them grippy (enough) in the dry and brilliant in the wet.

I did look into BT023's, and read some opinions on the Tiger forum, but saw more negative reports than positive ones.

The PR3's are not cheap (paid ~£250 for the latest set) but if they last for another 9k I'll be more than happy.
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 05 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Deaks - out of interest. what were the majority of the neg reports saying?
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 05 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wet grip mainly, and a couple about wear rates. Couple of people only got around 5k out of them, but that obviously depends on riding style and your right hand! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 05 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

023's are grippy, confidence inspiring tyres that work well in all conditions...

..but...

they wear too damn quickly for my liking and certainly too fast for serious commuter use. I went back to 021s which, although inferior, lasted a while longer and are by no means a *crappy* tyre.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 05 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please excuse my reply if it's a stupid comment, I'm brand new to biking so really don't know a great deal.
But was the tyre like this when you took ownership of the bike?
If so could it be a case of the previous owner doing a burnout on the tyre, as this sounds like it would give the type of wear you described. With the low mileage it looks to have done.
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