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Leon1987
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: CAT C write off Reply with quote

Hi guys, i need abit of advise, can anyone help?

Im looking to get rid of my bike and the guy who is having it has text me saying CAT C write off,
loss date 04/10/2002.
repair cost exceeds pre-accident value.
There is no record of a VIC inspection.
Its an insurance write off.

what does this mean? ive had the bike insured myself and ive done a check on the dvla and i cant find any info about this CAT D sinario.

I wasnt made aware of any of this when i purchased the bike and iv just had my V5C sent thru.

Now im confused as the were this guy is getting his info from! Please help any suggestions would be awesome

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PostPosted: 10:48 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

cat c arnt always recorded on the v5 and cat d i beleave never is bikes dont need a vic check only cars do
if he hpi the bike it will show up on that and will devalue the bike/car by a fair bit im affraid
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok thanks bud

but surly if its only a cat c like he say then it cant be too bad as cat c is just cosmetic am i right?

also how can it be an insurance write off if ive had it insured myself Confused

is it possible to find out what this cat c is and is it repairalbe??/
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

wecome to the world of cat c
this is a cat c
https://images.copart.com/website/data/pix/20110504/16851591_1X.JPG
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

cat c can be fixed and re insured as yours has but its still a cat c
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

and my bike is far fromthat here it is
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Bandit is a cat c write-off but you wouldn't know it without checking records - come to think of it you wouldn't have thought it if you saw it in it's damaged state. A footpeg mount was bent which constitutes a damaged frame. It was only slightly bent and I strasightened it myself last week.

There is no VIC check for bikes - so it'll never have one. There is also no problem getting it insured as you have found. The only possible effect it can have is that the insured value of the bike is lower than it would have been if it were not a catC so if it gets nicked or wrecked they might pay you out a lot less for the bike because it's been paid out for in full once already.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

id have thought that surly the dvla website would tell me if its a cat c right, after all if it is a cat c its got a fault to it so they would have to say so right Confused
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and my bike is far from that here it is


Subframes twisted. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and my bike is far from that here it is


Subframes twisted.


what you mean subframes twisted?/??
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon1987 wrote:
and my bike is far fromthat here it is


if the pic i posted had new forks etc it too wouldnt look like a write off , my point is a cat c means its a write off weather its been fixed or not it will always be an insurence write off , i have owned alot of catc and d write offs because there cheaper
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok so fixed or not you cant odd the cat c write off!

so what would you guy guys say this bike would be worth to sell, im abit pissed with the guy i got it off as he failed to mention this, i dont want to be stuck with it as i chop and change bike alot lol Smile
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

you only have to tell people its a cat c if they ask Wink
most people wont hpi a bike of that age Wink
make of that as you will
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon1987 wrote:
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and my bike is far from that here it is


Subframes twisted.


what you mean subframes twisted?/??


It's a joke.

There's a few things that need clearing up for you:

An insurance 'write-off' means that the damage to the bike would have cost so much that the insurers decided to 'write off' the value of the bike by paying out for it in full. Usually, this means 60% or more so if your bike is worth £3k and the damage would cost £1800 to repair they write it off and pay the full amount. With cat C and cat D very often they offer to sell the salvage back to the owner for between 10 and 20% of the value (sometimes more though). The owner is then free to either sell it on further or repair the bike (often with perfectly good used parts) for much less money.

Cat C means structural damage, cat D is cosmetic. You can easily wrie off a ZXR with bent forks and plastics wrecked but it'd be back to A1 condition if you replaced those parts.

Once they are recorded as written-off, it stays with the bike forever. Doesn't mean there's a fault but it does mean there's been damage in it's past.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon1987 wrote:
ok so fixed or not you cant odd the cat c write off!

so what would you guy guys say this bike would be worth to sell, im abit pissed with the guy i got it off as he failed to mention this, i dont want to be stuck with it as i chop and change bike alot lol Smile


Well, clearly since you just received the V5c and you're selling it on you must have sniffed a bit of profit in the bike when you bought it. Sounds like the previous owner was selling it below book price and you're going for full book value but have been caught out by it being Cat C.

It's a lesson learned for you. Sure you don't HAVE to declare it as a write-off but it's only proper that you should.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I HPI every bike I buy regardless of age value, just to avoid finance companies taking it back or police taking it off me if it's stolen. For the sake of £15, it's worth it.

If a seller hadn't told me about Cat C when I went to look at it I'd walk straight away. Wonder what else they failed to look after,check or lied about whilst they owned the bike. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far you've just got a buyer telling you it's a Cat C. I would suggest HPI checking it yourself to find out what the details are.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers for the input guys, i havent really lost nothing on the bike as i swaped it for a yzf450 that i paid £900 for, if i had known that it was cat c write off i would have told the guy, as i dont believe in cheating people thats not fair and karma will ALWAYS bite you is the ass for it lol, i guess i can only speak to the guy and see what is said, thanks again guys, ive learnt a little today lol Smile
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Bros is a Cat C write off even though it only has cosmetic damage because of the fact it's only valued at £600. So the cost of a new radiator (it's bent but not leaking so...) and labour would be more than the bike value. Glad to hear all this talk of VIC checks from my insurance company is utter rubbish. Smile

Just have to wait until they actually bother to put the paperwork through so I can get a new MOT and be on my way.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why wait for paperwork? I just MOT'd mine and started using it again.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Why wait for paperwork? I just MOT'd mine and started using it again.

I thought that if a bike gets written off it nullifies any current MOT. So I don't want to pay for an MOT only to have to do it again. I'll call up tomorrow to find out what the deal is.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't see why it should. Passing the MOT depends on the bike meeting required standards. If it's done after the accident then the bike must meet those standards hence either the damage is repaired or wasn't enough to affect MOT requirements in the first place. My Bandit passed the MOT with the bent footpeg hanger mount that caused it to be a CAT C, I straightened it weeks later.

It wouldn't surprise me to find that having to re-mot a bike following a cat C is some urban myth borne from the requirement to have CatC cars VIC'd.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Can't see why it should. Passing the MOT depends on the bike meeting required standards. If it's done after the accident then the bike must meet those standards hence either the damage is repaired or wasn't enough to affect MOT requirements in the first place. My Bandit passed the MOT with the bent footpeg hanger mount that caused it to be a CAT C, I straightened it weeks later.

It wouldn't surprise me to find that having to re-mot a bike following a cat C is some urban myth borne from the requirement to have CatC cars VIC'd.

Yeah I really need a definitive answer on that. I have an MOT from March...but have no idea if it's still valid.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuff your vehicle's details into here:

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_10020539
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 30 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:

I'll try it when I get home. However that won't answer the question of whether the MOT will be invalidated when the claim is finally settled.
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