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I owned a lifan engine, abused it for a few years offroad, then took it on the road, and sold it running perfect.
As said above if you can buy it silly cheap, then do. Don't go above 400-500 depending on condition... |
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Which Lifan? What age, mileage, condition and cost?
Do you even bother reading replies? You keep spunking out the the same 30-second fantasy questions over and over without giving enough information for anyone to give you a useful reply. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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If you look at his posts he's been asking about what bike to buy for the past 4 months and he hasn't even done a CBT yet. Most indecisive person ever! ____________________ KTM 990 SMT & Suzuki DR-Z 400 SM |
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Give kid chance folks, its not indecission, its frustration. Young lad, pocket money budget, and he's bashing his head against the realities of motorcycle ecconomics.
17 year old and a car? You can buy a car, taxed, tested, ready to drive away, for £300-£400. BIKES are 'supposed' to be 'cheap' so WHY cant you buy a 125 for £3-400 or LESS?
Then the locgistics of not having wheels in the first place to get up and go look at bikes that are offered for sale, AND it all seeming iunsurmountable and stacked against you..... SO ask another question on BCF, and 'hope' for a magic answer or lucky break....
We get this the whole time, and Chris isn't the only kid in the krib reacting the same way to teh same problems...... EaSY! Recognise the syndrome?
Give the kid a pep-talk. Tell him what I told you. Tell him to lower his expectations, and up his effort; find more money to get better choice of bikes and more chance of getting one, and getting one he CAN get his hands on; tell him to get off the computer and put in leg work to go find; and be prepared to work for favour to get people to go help him view, fetch carry and get that bike on his drive. Because it ISN'T easy; and no-one will drop the 'perfect' bike in your lap, neatly gift-wrapped for the few pennies you have in mind, and you HAVE to put in effort and graft and WORK for it... but at the end of the day, it IS worthwhile, when you have got that first bike, fallen off it, broken down on it, screamed and shouted at it, got frustrated by the learning curve, not just dealing with 'roads' and the idiots on them, but the weather, and living with bikes and the maintenence they demand and discovered its not ALL shit & giggles.... BUT, wading through all of that, LEARNING as you go... you get your first big bike...... and realise it really IS worth something. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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And all of it pointless since he doesn't have a CBT or the cash to buy a bike, and at his budget his choice will be strictly limited to the bikes that are actually available locally.
for being keen, but let's see a bit less thinking and a bit more doing, eh? I'm sure someone here likes saying that.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| Hokum wrote: | | Teflon-Mike wrote: |
17 year old and a car? You can buy a car, taxed, tested, ready to drive away, for £300-£400. BIKES are 'supposed' to be 'cheap' so WHY cant you buy a 125 for £3-400 or LESS? |
Very much this.
My first car was a 10 yo Pug 106 1.5D, cost me like £600. Was solid, reliable and handled really well. Got about 5 million miles a gallon and was everything a new driver would want. I got written off by a taxi, the car was later repaired and is still going!
Why does a ratty tatty branded 125cc bike seem to cost £1000! |
I posed the question; I didn't answer it. But the answer is 'Market-Forces'.
More cars than people than want them. More Learner-Riders than there are decent bikes for them all.
Young driver, is faced with £2K insurance quotes for a £200 car... goes looking at bikes.... £1250 for a 'decent' 125, £750 insurance quote. It IS cheaper... not MUCH, but it IS cheaper, AND the 'value' is where its most useful.
Low Asset value in a car, with high Insurance Policy. End of year, you have to buy ANOTHER insurance policy, and only have a £200 car to your name.
High asset value in a bike, with 'lower' insurance policy' End of year, you still have to buy another insurance policy, but it's NOT as expensive, and you STILL have £1000's worth of bike to your name.
Its JUST getting over that 'threshold' of the start-up overhead, and the 'inconvenience' that buying a bike you HAVE to pay 'upfront' for it (unless you buy new or nearly new on tick) and cant defray the insurance paying by installments.
Perceptions & expectations. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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I got quoted £4,700 for a Renault Clio/Fiesta when I was 18 after passing my test. Took over a year to move to the bright side and get a bike  ____________________ My Bikes: Lifan Beat 125cc '11 -> Suzuki B120P '76 -> Suzuki EN 125-2A '08 -> Honda CG 125 '04 -> Honda CB600F Hornet '98 -> Kawasaki ZZR 600 '99 -> Kawasaki GPZ 500S '95 (Current)
Theory test passed - 09/02/2012 >>>> Module 1 passed 24/07/2012 >>>> Module 2 passed 24/10/2012 |
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| Hokum wrote: | Why does a ratty tatty branded 125cc bike seem to cost £1000! |
Because 17 year olds save up their birthday money and the pennies from their paper rounds until they've got enough to buy an old 1.2 Clio... and then get insurance quotes for it.
After they've recovered consciousness, they seem increasingly to be saying "Uh, maybe I'll get a bike/scooter instead".
They're not interested in biking, it's just their only option. They don't sit tests, they just do a CBT and slap eternal L plates on.
So there's more riders chasing a limited pool of cheap 125 - old bikes don't magically appear to fill the demand - so of course prices are going to go up.
If you want a bargain, you have to be the first person at the door of someone who doesn't know this, and still thinks that their little 125 can't be worth that much.
That's why bucko here is unlikely to get a half decent bike in budget - he's a serial faffer, and will have to settle for whatever's left after the smart money has been spent.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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The above is why I ended up with a scooter as my "first bike" Every time I found a cheap CG or YBR it was gone. ____________________ KTM 990 SMT & Suzuki DR-Z 400 SM |
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I just kept the scooter, and saved up and ended up getting a DTR 125. Managed to get £100 more for the scooter than I paid as well No regrets from me. ____________________ KTM 990 SMT & Suzuki DR-Z 400 SM |
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