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 Posted: 16:26 - 07 Apr 2012 Post subject: Re: Possible driving test for over 65's |
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I'd support a capped price for refresher courses every 5 years for all drivers, but then also think that we should have more fine for minor offence. e.g £5-£10 for entering a junction box if your exit isn't clear, or for holding up traffic, or many other annoying things that drivers do, e.g turn without indicating etc.. ____________________ Motorcycle headlight bulbs and HIDs
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Just take away their bastard flat caps and they'll be fine.  |
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Bikertomm,on balance i've seen more inconsiderate and bad driving from young people,ok,I respect your view that it's the elderly that should be targeted, but even so from my own experience i've had more issues with younger drivers,ok,older drivers will make mistakes (don't we all) drive at 30mph on the motorway etc the answer could be that there has to be some form of assessment for ALL drivers to improve driving standards.One area that possibly should be looked at regarding elderly drivers is their health and fitness to drive,failing eyesight,response times,hearing etc,but this could be done by a GP not some government body.Every credit for not using your mobile when driving, you are in a minority I nearly got wiped out on a zebra crossing by a young lass with a child in the back texting away oblivious ,I could go on,no doubt you've had some issues with oldie drivers so think we'll agree to disagree :up:Some good points made by Chris,by using the word "targeted" does conjour up thoughts of discrimination. |
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No need to target the elderly - enforce testing for everyone every 3-5 years. A simple repeat of the driving test with a grace period where people can continue to drive even if they fail as long as they're training and have booked another test.
Those who are incapable would soon be off the road, it'd also create a load of jobs. ____________________ current: ducati monster 750
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| Quote: | Those who are incapable would soon be off the road, it'd also create a load of jobs. |
...and probably make quite a few people lose theirs at the same time, if they find themselves unable to drive.
It'd also be quite costly - taking both car and bike tests would cost over £150 if done on a weekday, or over £175 for a weekend. Not something most couldn't afford if pushed, but money (not to mention time) most of us would rather spend on something more productive. That's assuming you pass first time, without any extra training. Obviously the cost would be considerably higher if not.
There's also the problem that a good deal of dangerous driving (in my experience at least) isn't caused so much by lack of basic competence, but by agressive or careless driving. Plenty would be capable of passing the test without issue, but once the examiner was out of sight, would continue to tailgate, pull dodgy overtakes, not bother to indicate, &c.
On balance, the system we have at the moment works quite well enough. The standard of driving in the UK is generally still fairly high, even compared to other developed countries. Regular re-testing is not necessary, and at best would represent a burden financially and in terms of time. At worst, it'd strip people of their mobility, jobs, houses, social lives, and so on. ____________________ Chris
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It doesn't need to be a full test, just a quick round the block to identify the 5% or so who need full testing. Heck, just making it to a test centre is probably good enough to weed out most of the spackers. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| RXS100_Chris wrote: | ...and probably make quite a few people lose theirs at the same time, if they find themselves unable to drive. |
No sympathy for those who could not pass the test, those are the ones who should not be on the road. If it's financial, then I'm sure they could provide the tests for free for those on low incomes. After all, they'd be running a profit from all the extra tests.
| RXS100_Chris wrote: | It'd also be quite costly - taking both car and bike tests would cost over £150 if done on a weekday, or over £175 for a weekend. Not something most couldn't afford if pushed, but money (not to mention time) most of us would rather spend on something more productive. That's assuming you pass first time, without any extra training. Obviously the cost would be considerably higher if not. |
I thought only the highest license class would need to be re-taken. Would only need to take 30 mins, plus the drive to and from the centre.
| RXS100_Chris wrote: | There's also the problem that a good deal of dangerous driving (in my experience at least) isn't caused so much by lack of basic competence, but by agressive or careless driving. Plenty would be capable of passing the test without issue, but once the examiner was out of sight, would continue to tailgate, pull dodgy overtakes, not bother to indicate, &c. |
Good point, but focusing on such things would likely improve things to some degree, I don't think many are intentionally dangerous, more carelessly dangerous. I think I became a better driver in the run up and after my bike test.
| RXS100_Chris wrote: | On balance, the system we have at the moment works quite well enough. The standard of driving in the UK is generally still fairly high, even compared to other developed countries. Regular re-testing is not necessary, and at best would represent a burden financially and in terms of time. At worst, it'd strip people of their mobility, jobs, houses, social lives, and so on. |
It's a minority that cause problems... The young, the old the careless and the unlicensed. By retesting you will make life harder for all of those groups while improving the standard of even those who are competent. Only those who are a problem would lose any of the benefits - especially with a grace period eg. 3 extra months after failing to retest before losing the license.
Most of all, it would reduce the problems that everyone sees whilst being even and fair - no victimizing certain groups.
UK driving is of a high standard, but not as high as say Germany and there's no harm in improving it!
While I'd like to see such an idea, I can't see it happening any time soon. Wait til the google / driverless cars get popular though and it'll be yearly testing for anyone who wants to drive manually! ____________________ current: ducati monster 750
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I was sat at a set of lights the other day waiting to make a right turn with a van and car in front, all of us indicating right. There are two lanes-both can be used to go staight ahead but the RH lane obviously backs up with traffic waiting to turn right.
This old codger who i had clocked approaching in my rear view mirror some ways back (he had been indicating right from near enough from the previous junction) pulls up behind me. All good i thinks so looks ahead again - next thing i know he has started going up my left hand side- pushing into traffic which is going straight ahead in the LH lane, passes me, gets level with the van in front and tries pulling right more or less right into the front of my bike. I was just completely dumbfounded. I have no idea what medication he was on but he gestured through the window at me as if i was in the wrong!
I am sure there are plenty of capable older folk on the roads but we definately need a better system to ensure we keep the roads safe from old folks like the one I just mentioned. Its like i also think you should have your license taken away as soon as you buy anything with a VXR badge  ____________________ Harold_Shand wrote: I suppose it's like anything, you get your fingers burned when you start out, you learn from it and eventually become a complete arsehole about the whole thing. |
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Some interesting replies, opened my eyes a bit further - I hadn't even considered them.
RXS100_Chris - Your familly are a perfect example in that case then, but obviously with everything you get some with a lack of common sense! Some elderly people probably even know they shouldn't be driving; but still do - which ruins it for everybody.
Also good point about the 'targeting', though I'm sure some would argue motorcyclists are targeted anyway (Restrictions ect) so everyone else should be too!
Lorus - Pretty much agree with everything you say except the GP bit. Whilst it is a good idea and actually I think this should happen, getting checked for eyesight, hearing ect. They could have the best eyes in the world and not check their mirrors when they are supposed to! So I think an additional little test on the road would be good.
iooi - Just read back to myself what I wrote and I sure can see your opinion. Completely agree with the theory test malarky too. Oh and the hard wired GPS, can't say I'm a fan of that (Hypocrit maybe!) But would speeding count as an 'offence'
Rogerborg - Agreed - definately should'nt have to be the whole hog, just an examiner that knows what to look for.  ____________________ 07' Honda Hornet now full powaah! My guide on performing an oil change! |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 312 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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