Undertaking VS Speeding

[Ribenapigeon]

When are the police going to take the practice of undertaking more seriously? I says that as yet agin some plonker in a car tried to kill me as I prepared to exit a roundabout, forcing me to go around again. You know the scene, it happens all the time.

Speeding gets all the attention from the authorities but I personally think the single worst thing people do is undertaking when they should be giving way to their right.

Does anyone know if you can look up any statistics on typs of accidents rather than just numbers of accidents.

Undertaking hacks me off when im driving a car, when im on my bike it makes me see red.

[fatjames]

Most cagers seem reluctant to use the roads properly full stop. The amount of cars that change lanes without looking or indicating and pull onto roundabout in front of me is just rediculous.
However, this is why delevoping a sense of when this is going to happen is vital for bikers. Keeping an eye not just on moving cars, but looking at drivers too will help.
Going round the roundabout twice is not on, but it sounds like you took the safer route.

FJ

[tbourner]

What's the situation where you were forced to keep going round a roundabout? Surely that means you were in the wrong lane? Or you mean he came on from the road one before your exit and forced you into the inside lane of the roundabout?
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Trev, now a biker?
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[wikiwiki]

More and more people choosing to use the outside lane when there's nothing to overtake or no right turn anywhere near.

They usually do this at or slightly below the speed limit, forcing you to overtake on the inside or just wait in the outside lane and reduce a two lane road down to a single.

Think there should be modern day sins against the highway code that need to be impressed on people and punished if not followed.
Silly little things but annoying all the same.

The list is getting larger.

[P.]

I do both..

No problems here. Undertaking on a roundabout...if he was in the wrong lane let him hit you.

If you were in the wrong lane...Y U MAD?

[J4mes]

If someone is coming up the left hand side of you on a roundabout and forcing you to go around again, what is your road positioning like on the roundabout?

And why not just accelerate in front of them?

Genuinely, I don't understand.

[Llama-Farmer]

Did they see you indicating right, think you were going round and pull onto the roundabout to turn left?

Might be a case of you didn't stick your left indicator on soon enough maybe?


People who can't use roundabouts properly is the single most annoying thing on the roads for me, the ones who stop when there's nothing coming, or use the wrong lane then try to cut across traffic to stay on or get off. Or the ones who just don't stop for the traffic to their right already on the roundabout.

[Ribenapigeon]

I was using the roundabout just fine. If there is any road situation which concentrates the mind when riding a motorcycle its roundabouts, so my positioning and timing of switching to the left tindicator was spot on. The problem is that this roundabout serves 5.5 roads, .5 because one of the exits is dual carriegway but also has a songle carrigway imediatly off that exit. Its the mounthooly roundabout aberdeen if you want to google earth it. The roundabout is dual lane as well.

The roundabout works like this (from my entry road) Dual-then single exit-then dual exit(with ancilary single left)-then single exit-then single exit/dual entry. The plnker who undertook me was entering from the dual with the ancilary rd then exiting on the single which i had indicated to exit on. She may simply have had her view of me obscured by a car waiting on her right to enter the rndbt, but still a poor excuse.

[tbourner]

This one:
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=57.153986,-2.099531&spn=0.001964,0.005681&t=k&z=18

Still can't see any in-out route that could possibly cause this problem, where were you coming from and going out? And where was this dosy bint coming/going?
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[Ribenapigeon]

I entered from the north (causeway end) and was heading for the gallowgate. I entered the roundabout in the left lane and then as my front wheel was parralel with the second exit swapped indicators to right and the did my lifesaver which was when little miss micra came barreling around my left blocking me from moving over to then exit on my third exit, so I just went round and took the next exit to get back on a south heading.

[Llama-Farmer]

[shereen]

[Ribenapigeon]

Dohh no sorry i was in the right lane entering the roundabout then the right lane goung round.

[tbourner]

You were coming from Causeway? Going past Mounthooly and the A96, and going off Gallowgate? And she was coming out W North St and going down Gallowgate?
You should have been in the left hand lane all the way, start indicating right as you go past Mounthooly (but stay in the left lane), then indicate left as you go past the entrance to W North St - there's no way she could come out unless she pulls right in front of you (which can happen!!), you shouldn't be in the inner (right hand) lane on the roundabout unless you're coming from Hutcheon - where I'd still be likely to change to the left lane after Mounthooly.
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[shereen]

[tbourner]

OK I was wrong, looking at the arrows on streetview it looks like traffic coming off Mounthooly use that left lane to turn right. From about here (but in the right hand lane) you should be indicating left and checking who's coming round with you in the left lane (you should know from seeing who's pulling out of Mounthooly), then positioning to move over pretty much where the chevrons between lanes end.
So yeah she's an idiot. Must have been mega busy for you to not be able to adjust your speed to suit though?
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[Ribenapigeon]

yup I was in the right hand lane and started indicating left when at the bottom of the view, and it was clear to my right until about where the trucks cab is then i did the lifesaver and this woman in a micra had just slipped up into my blind spot and was going to exit just after the trucks position, so she completly bl;ocked me off, she must have come onto the roundabout from the junctionbehind the view, so looking at it from the street view evidently she had plenty of time to check any vehicles ahead of her in the right hand lane and should not have been driving faster than traffic in the right lane. Now looking at this im even more convinced she cut me up.

It is a busy roundabout with complications but it flows well and there is a temptation for people if they slip quickly onto it to then speed arond it, but thats no excuse.

Anyway now my manouver has been forensicly analysed my original question remains. Undertaking V Speeding? and any way to get stats that support my personal biew that undertaking causes more accidents/unnecesary scares/risks?

[tbourner]

I don't know but I think undertaking on roundabouts is less dodgy than on duellies and motorways, since generally people in the right hand lanes are going around whereas someone in the left lane is coming off - so they should be able to undertake with no issue. Trouble is lots of people don't indicate, and lots of other people don't pay attention to what those who ARE indicating are actually planning to do.
Speeding is IMO only a problem in certain situations, I really think we need to have variable speed limits, so it's not easy to just say one's worse than the other.
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[Ribenapigeon]

Thing is if you are in the right hand lane you have to exit at some point and the rule still applies, give way to the right. If everyone looks out for the right on a roundabout then nothing should go wrong thats the beauty of them.

[J4mes]

we really need a paint diagram!

[jimac]

And just for clarity, undertaking is legal whereas speeding is illegal.

[Ribenapigeon]

Being a hazard when undertaking is not legal. Its legal to undertake in slow moving traffic, sya when in a que for a junciot but at full flowing speed its not.

[J4mes]

[Ribenapigeon]

There may not be a specific law against it but I dare you to do to a police vehicle what lil miss micra did to me.

[shereen]