Flip Up

[AL-]

Now my trusty FZS 600 has been replaced by an FZ1, more long distance touring is on the cards so I was thinking about flip up lids

Anybody got any experience with them?

I was thinking about the Shoei Neotec as it has the advantage of the internal sun visor. However, part of me can't help worrying about there crash ability and also noise levels

[JoeDougieDoug...]

I have 2 flip-up lids, 1 is an AGV Longway (No sun visor, but quite light), and the other is a Caberg Konda (Internal sun visor, but very heavy and clumpy)... I'd recommend both lids!
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[fatjames]

I have a Nolan n90 flip up lid. Has the sun visor thing. I think I'll always want a flip up as I'm specticled and it makes it much easier at the filling station.

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[Matt B]

I have an AGV Longway 2 that I was using before I stopped being an instructor.

It has an external sun visor, washable lining, and for a plastic flip-up lid it's actually quite light and comfortable, if not a little noisy.

Check the SHARP website for safety ratings https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/
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[Bendy]

I've got a Shoei Multitech and I was impressed how light it is, compared to flips I've looked at in the past.

It isn't hugely noisier than my Raid and is more comfortable for fitting my autocom under and also I think easier to deal with glasses.

I like the ease of use for petrol stations (always thought it was rather rude not to take your lid off) and have found that being able to flip it up makes it easier to look back over your shoulder when trying to park in tiddly gaps.

Safety wise, put simply, I don't care. Comfort and practicality will always score higher for me than any crash rating, I don't have the blind faith that 'my helmet will save me' that some people do - as TC says, hit something hard enough and you're probably screwed anyway. I prefer not to hit the thing in the first place.

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[Rogerborg]

Mmm. T.C, did you turn up any sources for that that we could have a look at? How "substantial" a risk are we talking, and how are you establishing causation?

I've just got a Nitro F341-VN flippy myself. Big (rather Lego Man) and not what you'd call light - but I'm not finding it overly burdensome either. Probably about the same as the Caberg Konda that I tried. Not as safe either, but 3 stars and a 90% face plate retention is good for the price.

It's not as noisy as I'd feared. Ventilation isn't great, and the inner sun visor could do with lowering just a little more - I understand this is a common issue with such visors, there's just not enough room in the shell to make them big enough to comfortably cover your entire field of vision. It does work though and saves arsing around with glasses or separate visors.

The flip is ace, it's really nice to not be enclosed while fiddling around with the bike and setting off. Handy for flipping up to talk to charming natives that one meets on one's jaunts as well. I'm really liking it, and my neck remains intact thus far.

I view it as an acceptable risk for the rewards, much like biking itself.
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[Teflon-Mike]

Snowie, darling woman she is bought me a Shark Evotech for my Birthday/Christmas.

Only flip I believe that is type approved to 'Ride' in either closed or open positions.

I've worn open face on the road a lot of the time for years; popping to shops, in sunny weather, when I was instructing, etc, and LIKE riding 'open'.

Flips always seemed an ideal 'answer' to having to choose between open & closed for a ride, that didn't ACTUALLY work, given you had to shut yourself in before you rode.

Evotech seems to be the first one that ACTUALLY does give best of both worlds.

And I LIKE...

It has internal flip fown sun-shade.... that is rather, err..... I don't know... I MAY get used to it, or maybe I just have a big nose!

I LIKE the fact that I can flip visor down with the hat in the oipen-face mode, like a riot hat, for an inbetweeie mode.

I like the fact that I can ride open or closed, and not have to take hot off at petrol stations to to have a fag, or talk to Snowie.

It makes a lot of sense.

Protection wise? FFS, so many variables in helmet design, so many variables in any accident, as to make standards and tests, nothing more than accademic interest.

I am HAPPY to ride in a £25 open face hat...... and frequently DO.

Its passed same safety standards as anything else, its 'safe' enough..... and the trick is to NOT CRASH... after that? Well its in the lap of the gods ANYWAY.

Not fallen off in twenty years, so I must be doing something right, and last time I DID fall off, at speed, my head never touched deck anyway.... so £700 of 'replica' Shoei never really had to earn its keep....

Way I see it, its moire than likely going to give more protection than cheap open, so what the heck.

ONLY draw-back is that they are HEAVY.

I think my Evo is something like 1750g? The open is probably under 1200, I think my AGV, was around the 1400g mark.

It's NOT that heavy compared to the older helmets I have been used to, but I think it is rather lardy compared to modern offerings.

But I didn't REALLY notice it.

Snowie felt the extra weight compared to her 1600g 'Nitro'.....

Its only 50-100g, but they do have a more peculiar 'balence'.

The half-open flips, when they put the chin-piece up, keep the weight at the front, and weight seems to stay balenced front to back, though higher up, a bit more precariouse.

On the Evo, you flip the chin piece round the back, it rotates virtually 180 degrees, so in the open position, the weight is ALL behind heads centre line, and does stay a little 'high' giving quite a back-tippy sensation.

I DID feel that, but it was not so unnatural accustomed to open face lids where thats where the weight is anyway.... it is probably more promounced to people that have never worn anything but full-face hats.

Not ridden big road bike in the Evo... or anything with a fairing. So can only speculate how being more 'over' the bars may effect the feel... slightly prone, putting head into the wind a bit, it could feel more or less promounced... upright behind a screen? again, depending what you are used to, more or less promounced.

Conclusion is, the Evo, at least DOES at last offer the best of both worlds of full or open face. They are on the heavier side, and balence is 'different'.

As said, I really like mine.... BUT, its one of those things, you have to see if you are comfy with it; physically, and with the safety considerations.
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[jimac]

The Caberg Sintesi that I've got is also rated to be worn in the open or closed position. The open position locks into place when it's lifted so it is as safe as any other open-face helmet.

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[Rogerborg]

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[Baisemontchou]

I have an open face Nuvo and full-face Nitro Dynamo, both XXL and both comfortable.

I've wanted a flip-up for a while and finally succomed to a Caberg Justissimo GT in XXL, hard to get much in XXL over here so mail-order is best option, however the Caberg hurt when closed. The jaw part pressed extremely tightly against my jaw, any movement of mouth and jaw was frankly painful. Considered sending it back, but then as it was just the jaw part I thought I'd shave a bit off the back of the padding and that would be fine. Nope, kept shaving, still painful, finally left with virtually no padding and a realisation that the painful part was the freaking release button in the first place, it's so deep into the padding, might as well be none.

The helmet is extremely comfortable in 'Jet' configuration and will be great for the summer, better than the Nuvo I have, but I now own a flip-up that, for me, is unusable as a flip-up.

I bought a relatively cheap LS2 FF370 Easy Flip Front in XXL last week and had the same issue, helmet fits OK, very tight, but presses too hard on my (obviously giant, misshapen) chin. Fits my son perfectly so he now has a brand new flip-up.

As there doesn't appear to be 'Ogre chin' size available in flip-up I guess I'll never be able to wear one.
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[plugger147]

Last time lidl had there flip front on sale I went and looked at them and apart from being bloody uncomfortable when the front was flipped up I could hold the bottom front sides and flex them in a fair way until the chin piece was about 2 inches apart and although it was an approved lid there's no way I'd be willing to risk my head in something so soft....
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[bikertomm]

Mate just tour with a normal lid.

Otherwise it might be in your head worrying about losing your chin.


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[shazza65]

I got a Shark Evoline Series 2 a couple of years ago. Love it for it's flexibility and you don't need to take it off going into shops or at the garage.
The fit is great and wind noise very diminished. It has an internal black visor which is invaluable in low-ish sun riding. best thing is the front flips all the way over your helmet so easy to ride open-faced if you fancy it.
Good investment for me.
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[JoeDougieDoug...]

[dannymassive]

All technical details aside, I bought my flip front Helmet to make my life a little easier......

It's one heck of a lot quicker to get on and off if you wear glasses like I do - I used to spend ages squeezing them through my visor on my old lid.

On top of this, as has already been mentioned, it's so much easier not having to take you lid off to pay for fuel etc - although I do disagree that we should remove any type of lid anyway - but it saves some funny looks from forecourt staff.
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