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Trasler
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: £1150 bad idea? Reply with quote

I'm looking to buy a bike since i've completed my CBT and soon to book my theory test.

My main issue is practice so i'm going to get a learner legal bike. I'm finding it hard to find one around my area for less then £1000, (new or second hand).

I've found a 'Lexmoto Street 125' for £1,150 OTR.
Browsing through the posts on the forum, i noticed someone mentioned £600 for a bike.

Is £1,150 too much for a first bike?
It's completely new, 12 months warranty and OTR ready.

Insurance would be £561 with breakdown cover, legal protection, personal accident cover, helmet and leathers cover and as Third Party Only. (with fire and theft = £1200 roughly and fully comp = £3,000).

Thank you in advance for any help given,

Alastair


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PostPosted: 10:25 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its too much for a chinese bike.

Find a jap bike for £1000, then you are laughing.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: £1150 bad idea? Reply with quote

Trasler wrote:
I'm looking to buy a bike since i've completed my CBT and soon to book my theory test.

My main issue is practice so i'm going to get a learner legal bike. I'm finding it hard to find one around my area for less then £1000, (new or second hand).

I've found a 'Lexmoto Street 125' for £1,150 OTR.
Browsing through the posts on the forum, i noticed someone mentioned £600 for a bike.

Is £1,150 too much for a first bike?
It's completely new, 12 months warranty and OTR ready.

Insurance would be £561 with breakdown cover, legal protection, personal accident cover, helmet and leathers cover and as Third Party Only. (with fire and theft = £1200 roughly and fully comp = £3,000).

Thank you in advance for any help given,

Alastair


That's ridiculous. No £1,150 is not a bad amount to spend on a first bike, it's reasonable and you could get a nice YBR for that. Something reliable and jap with not much mileage, mine was £1099 with 2500 miles.

But, 1,150 is a stupid amount to pay for a chinese clone, especially the street model which is allegedly worse than it's "Arrow" brother, plus its chinese so will be underpowered and overweight, and will degrade like slugs in the sea if not maintained.

What's your postcode? Bet I could find something better...
Looking at your profile..you're right near me Rolling Eyes

Try harder lol

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Motorcycles-Scooters-/422/i.html?LH_Price=600..1%2C100%40c&_nkw=125&_catref=1&_mPrRngCbx=1&_sc=1&_sop=7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m1538

Classifieds: https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Motorcycles-Scooters-/422/i.html?LH_Price=600..1%2C100%40c&_nkw=125&_catref=1&_clu=2&_dlg=1&_dmpt=UK_Motorcycles&_mPrRngCbx=1&_sc=1&_sop=7&LH_PrefLoc=0&LH_CAds=1

You could even get a mito https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cagiva-Freccia-C12-125-Mito-/120894775550?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item1c25e3e0fe high mileage though Rolling Eyes

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-HONDA-CG125-BLACK-/200729698421?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2ebc6c2075 Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum Alastair Mr. Green

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Trasler
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the fast replies! Very Happy

Just went browsing on ebay and can't believe i missed this;
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YBR-125cc-STREET-SPORTS-BIKE-COMMUTER-MOTORCYCLE-125-/190626716587?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2c623cdbab#ht_2201wt_1037

£999 YBR 125cc STREET.

It's also got the dimensions i need. I can't park it outside my house due to it adding £300 onto the insurance (and i dont trust my area), so the handlebars need to be small enough to fit down a 820mm alleyway. Which the YBR does Very Happy

I'll have a look at the insurance for that, but is it worth paying the extra £100 for OTR?

To quote the company page:
"ON THE ROAD CHARGES INCLUDE: DVLA 1ST REGISTRATION CHARGE, 12 MONTHS ROAD TAX, NUMBER PLATE AND TAX DISC HOLDER"

Thanks again for the help. [/url]
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trasler wrote:
Thank you for the fast replies! Very Happy

Just went browsing on ebay and can't believe i missed this;
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YBR-125cc-STREET-SPORTS-BIKE-COMMUTER-MOTORCYCLE-125-/190626716587?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2c623cdbab#ht_2201wt_1037

£999 YBR 125cc STREET.

It's also got the dimensions i need. I can't park it outside my house due to it adding £300 onto the insurance (and i dont trust my area), so the handlebars need to be small enough to fit down a 820mm alleyway. Which the YBR does Very Happy

I'll have a look at the insurance for that, but is it worth paying the extra £100 for OTR?

To quote the company page:
"ON THE ROAD CHARGES INCLUDE: DVLA 1ST REGISTRATION CHARGE, 12 MONTHS ROAD TAX, NUMBER PLATE AND TAX DISC HOLDER"

Thanks again for the help. [/url]


Thats a YBR chinese clone lol, at the same price as a real YBR, (when you add road registering etc)

Get a real YBR, a YAMAHA YBR!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-ybr125-2009-125-ybr125-learner-125-yamaha-ybr125-2009-yamaha-125-/280845951620?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4163b92284#ht_1660wt_1187
Delivery available, more mileage than i'd like but it's a yammy, probably be fine
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trasler wrote:
Thank you for the fast replies! Very Happy

Thanks again for the help. [/url]


Are you not listening? that's exactly the same bike, just under a different
name for a different distributor.. look at the model numbers for it and the
street..

If you go for chinese, go for the cheapest like the sukida tough / patriot / sk125-5

after all they are pretty much all the same.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125cc-BLACK-COMMUTER-MOTORBIKE-2012-MODEL-SUKIDA-SK125-5-LEARNER-LEGAL-/270887862122?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item3f122cbf6a

It will rust up within a year, just like most other Chinese bikes.

Buy a REAL YBR or such like, not only will it be more reliable, insurance is bound
to be cheaper, as its not some obscure brand, when you come to sell it, it should
be worth pretty much what you paid for it, with a Chinese bike, it will be next to
worthless after a year.

We all like shiny shiny, but don't sacrifice reliability, longevity and resale value
because you feel like a magpie and want the shiny things.

for the money you have you can get a decent 2009+ YBR
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To echo what most others have said. Stick with the more well known, tried and tested big names
Yamaha YBR
Honda CB
Suzuki GN

These should last you well, hold value better than these cheaper copies, and are perfectly adequate come test time to satisfy the requirements of getting your full licence.

On the flip side, my brother has a 'superbyke 125' that I understand to be a Chinese copy of a CBR. Its an 08 plate, and he paid under £450. It just passed its MOT, it did need a little work for it, but thankfully my father is a very good mechanic.
If you are sure that you are good enough to maintain the bike, and you really, really want a Chinese bike, then by all means go for it. My brothers bike is not that bad actually, especially for the price he paid.


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PostPosted: 11:26 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see, thought it was a bit cheap new.

That YBR from York looks like a good deal and i could probably go that high, but shouldn't i check a bike out before buying?

And the issue is getting my mum to agree to it, which i doubt she'd do without seeing the bike in the flesh and making sure it runs properly.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: £1150 bad idea? Reply with quote

Trasler wrote:
Insurance would be £561 with breakdown cover, legal protection, personal accident cover, helmet and leathers cover and as Third Party Only. (with fire and theft = £1200 roughly and fully comp = £3,000).

Thank you in advance for any help given,

Alastair


Right dump the breakdown, legal, accident and helmet leather extras.....

Legal can be had for free.
Accident cover will have more holes to avoid payout.
Brakedown can be had a lot cheaper.
Helmet and leathers is again a waste of cash.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep searching, you will find something that is in your price range. A decent ybr can be found for about £850 if you look and there are loads of bikes that go for around 1k.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: £1150 bad idea? Reply with quote

iooi wrote:


Legal can be had for free.
Accident cover will have more holes to avoid payout.
Brakedown can be had a lot cheaper.
Helmet and leathers is again a waste of cash.


Thanks for that!
It was with MCE and the price included it, but if you think i shouldn't be getting those, MotorcycleDirect does £423 with none of that.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to view it, or get someone to check it out for you.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a quote for a YBR125. Only just done CBT. Bike worth £1100.
Bike to be stored in driveway

With commuting inc, it came in as follows with RAC / Devitt:

FC - 395 including legal
TPFT - 220
TPO - 200

I am 31, work and the closest match to my job was IT Trainer.

I have had a driving licence for 4 years but removing this made no difference to quote

I'm in the BB5 post code area with £350 excess.

All the above makes me feel your quote is a little high.

Basic roadside assistance starts around £40, going to up nearer £80 for homestart, relay etc

It's been said, but seriously consider if helmet and leathers cover is worth your excess and losing your NCB.

Have a look on tescocompare or the bikeinsurer (they seem to use the same database but Tesco will give you clubcard points)

This is probably all irrelevent until you have a bike in your sights
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do quotes on thebikeinsurer.co.uk Wink
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: £1150 bad idea? Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

Helmet and leathers is again a waste of cash.


Tell that to the £1400 cheque I got from my helmet and leathers cover (it's a separate policy that doesn't affect NCB). I wouldn't be without it now.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than insuring with MCE, just get the premium in cash and give it to a tramp. You'll get about the same standard of customer service and cover.

All insurers are bad, but MCE appear to be genuinely outstanding.

And if you gave MotorcycleDirect your details, you will now suffer a Spam Storm of truly biblical proportions as they sell them to every scammer "trusted 3rd party affiliate" under the sun.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick_houghton wrote:
It's been said, but seriously consider if helmet and leathers cover is worth your excess and losing your NCB.


Helmet and leathers cover is usually provided by a secondary insurer and not by the main road risks insurer, ie you're not claiming off your road risks policy if you claim for these items, which means your NCD is not affected and your excess is the excess applicable under the additional cover, not the excess that's applicable to the main policy.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO never spend a grand on a 125......
buy a shed, use the rest to do ur das.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using 'Compare the Market' to compare prices but i'll have a look at the companies you suggested.

So breakdown cover and helmet and leathers cover are good bets? And the helmet and leathers won't affect my NCD.

Mine will be on private property since i don't have a drive/garage but i do have a small alleyway to my garden and then into the back of my house.

I can't do the DAS since i'm only 17 and so, i'll be keeping this bike for at least 2 years (hopefully).
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trasler wrote:

So breakdown cover and helmet and leathers cover are good bets? And the helmet and leathers won't affect my NCD.


Well I wouldn't go on to say they're good bets, and you'd need to check your individual policy details of the additional covers and the terms of it, but that's the market practice in general.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trasler wrote:

I can't do the DAS since i'm only 17 and so, i'll be keeping this bike for at least 2 years (hopefully).


In that case, You REALLY need to concern yourself with taking your test (on a 125) before January 2013. This is when the new licencing comes into play, and you will have to wait until you are 24 to take DAS.

If (and i'm happy to be corrected) you take your restricted test before January 2013, once 2 years are up, your restriction will end and you can ride whatever you want.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

rampdales and bennets are pretty good for insurance i'm told too

I'm insured with MCE, yet to have an issue, yet to try and claim though, but dont ever intend to really unless I was on something worth 3k+

£1000 is about right for your first bike if you intend to use for for commuting daily, if you can get a good deal on a YBR for £800 then go for it really, they are gone in seconds, you want something reliable, which you're not gonna get with less money, without having to do some work (or without being lucky and snatching up a bargain!) You can get a 2001 CG with 12k for <£800

Viewing a bike is recommended but not essential, I didnt view mine in person but just had faith in where I was buying it from. Depends if you're getting it from a private or trade seller I guess, would have a lot more trust in a business.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't go chinese, it'll be worth like 50p when you come to sell it. Only go chinese if you're good with tools and if you can get it as cheap as chips. So sub £3-400. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 12 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

@CadillacMoon, yeah, if i get my tests (Mod 1&2) passed before January i have the same laws as currently.

My problem is mainly confidence at the moment, i need to get out and practice with some T junctions, roundabouts and similar.

@Alpha-9, i'm not so keen on buying a bike i haven't seen really.

Just trawling the internet for cheap bikes.
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