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joncwl
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 15 May 2012    Post subject: Help with riding a 125CC bike on the road Reply with quote

OK! so ive got my bike yamaha trz 125cc, and i can ride it so on so fourth but i dont understand on how to get to being road legal.

i know you have to pass your CBT, i have my provisional license etc my bike is insured, its taxed, MoT'ed.

so what im asking is to ride my bike on L plates is it just my CBT i need to pass????

if so can anyone explain to me what they make you do during a CBT and then if they say you passed how does that make me road legal and what do i have to show that i am road legal etc.

im from shrewsbury and when ive looked in to my local CBT instructor places theyre vague on what is supposed to happen and hasnt helped me much.

any help is amazing, regards Jon
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 15 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to show you can control your vehicle (and yourself) in the CBT. You are expected to be able to ride slowly and have slow control.
If they think you are safe enough they (and you) will spend some time riding on the road. If they think you can ride the bike safely enough with no one to babysit you out there in the real world you get a pass certificate.

CBT pass certificate + bike + insurance + tax etc means you can legally ride with L plates.

Don't do a CBT thinking you know it all and listen to the 'boring' bits. I had to watch a video too if I remember rightly. Basic highway code knowledge could be useful too.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 15 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Selected Extracts from:
Official Motorcycling
CBT, theory & Practical test
Everything you need to know
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The Aims of CBT

What CBT Requires

You cannot ride on the road until you have completed all elements of CBT.

Your Instructor will explain the aim of CBT and will also explain why it was introduced.

An over view of the course content should be given.

The time it takes to complete the course will be determined by you. Your instructor should not move you on to the next part until you are ready.

Within each element instructors are free to deliver the topic in the order that they find best for you. Every topic must however be covered to the necessary level
You'll need to demonstrate to your instructor that you have a basic skill level & an understanding of each topic. This may be through question & answer sessions for the theory or through practical demonstration of your riding ability
_____________________________________________________

The Elements are
• ‘A’ Introduction
• ‘B’ Practical on-site training
• ‘C’ Practical on-site riding
• ‘D’ Practical on-road training
• ‘E’ Practical on-road riding

Element order

The elements MUST be taken in the order shown. Your Instructor will ensure you complete each element before you progress to the next

Within each element the instructor is free to deliver the training in the order which is felt to be the most appropriate for you.

The CBT record in Part Six of this book will allow you to record when each of the elements has been completed.

Instructor-to-trainee ratios

During your CBT you may be accompanied by other learners up to a maximum of
• 4:1 during on-site elements
• 2:1 during the on-road element
For those using the Direct Access Scheme (see page 8) the ratio’s are 2:1 for both on- and off-road elements
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CBT - Content

Element A
________Introduction
________Equipment & Clothing
________Eyesight Test
Element B
________Motorcycle Controls
________Basic Safety Checks / use of stands
________Wheeling & braking to a stop
________Starting & Stopping the Engine
Element C
________Riding in a straight line & Stopping
________Riding Slowly
________Using the Brakes
________Changing Gear
________Riding a figure of Eight
________Emergency Stopping
________Rear Observation
________Turning Left & Right
________U-Turn
Element D
________Conspicuity
________Legal Requirements
________Vulnerability
________Speed
________Highway Code
________Anticipation
________Rear Observation
________Road Positioning
________Seperation Distance
________Weather Conditions
________Road Surfaces
________Alchohol & Drugs
________Attitude
________Hazard Perception
Element E
________Trafic Lights
________Roundabouts
________Junctions
________Pedestrian Crossings
________Gradients
________Bends
________Obstructions
________U-Turn
________Stopping as in an Emergency
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PostPosted: 07:16 - 16 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh this old chesnut. Wink

Just to PROVE to you that the CBT is easy and you need not worry (even if you've never been on a motorbike before)...

...I was on the 'off-road' section of the CBT, in the morning and we'd just learnt how to pull away and change up to second and back down into first. We were told to do circuits of the playground we were on just to get used to leaning etc. I was approaching a corner about 25mph and instead of pulling the front brake, I pulled the clutch... this resulted in me NOT slowing down so I ditched the bike.

The bike hit the wall and instantly started pouring our fuel and oil, the forks were bent, the rear wheel was badly bent, so on and so on.

I still passed! Very Happy Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:20 - 16 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CBT validates your provisional entitlement. It's training, not a test as such, so make sure you get your money's worth.

You'll need to show a CBT pass (DL196 certificate) when you later sit your proper tests. You'll want to pass ASAP, since license laws are changing next January, and not for the better.
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PostPosted: 07:23 - 16 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The CBT validates your provisional entitlement. It's training, not a test as such, so make sure you get your money's worth.

You'll need to show a CBT pass (DL196 certificate) when you later sit your proper tests. You'll want to pass ASAP, since license laws are changing next January, and not for the better**.


UNLESS you are over the age of 24 - Then it doesn't really affect you? I mean, most 21+ year olds do DAS these days anyway. Smile
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 16 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
license laws are changing next January, and not for the better**.


UNLESS you are over the age of 24 - Then it doesn't really affect you?


Yes, it might actually (or arguably) be easier by then since we're planning to go back to a single test by the end of this year. Personally I preferred the 2 part test, but I was sitting on my own bike rather than hiring one.

It won't even so very bad for the 19-23 folk, they'll be able to do the new A2 and get a 35kW license good for a GS500 or a very slightly restricted (or just tired, or "You prove it's over") CB500 or ER5. It's just a ball ache that they'll have to pass another test to finally get an unrestricted license.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 16 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:01 - 16 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
Ahhh this old chesnut. Wink

Just to PROVE to you that the CBT is easy and you need not worry (even if you've never been on a motorbike before)...

...I was on the 'off-road' section of the CBT, in the morning and we'd just learnt how to pull away and change up to second and back down into first. We were told to do circuits of the playground we were on just to get used to leaning etc. I was approaching a corner about 25mph and instead of pulling the front brake, I pulled the clutch... this resulted in me NOT slowing down so I ditched the bike.

The bike hit the wall and instantly started pouring our fuel and oil, the forks were bent, the rear wheel was badly bent, so on and so on.

I still passed! Very Happy Laughing


good thing i own a suzuki rm 250 (motocross bike) so it shouldnt be all that hard i guess xD
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 16 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
Ahhh this old chesnut. Wink

Just to PROVE to you that the CBT is easy and you need not worry (even if you've never been on a motorbike before)...

...I was on the 'off-road' section of the CBT, in the morning and we'd just learnt how to pull away and change up to second and back down into first. We were told to do circuits of the playground we were on just to get used to leaning etc. I was approaching a corner about 25mph and instead of pulling the front brake, I pulled the clutch... this resulted in me NOT slowing down so I ditched the bike.

The bike hit the wall and instantly started pouring our fuel and oil, the forks were bent, the rear wheel was badly bent, so on and so on.

I still passed! Very Happy Laughing


Did you have to pay for the bike at all?

Where I'm doing my cbt they want £20 extra for a 'damage waiver' because if i ditch the bike without it I have to pay £1000 towards it.

Wtf? Should'nt that be included in the overall price?

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PostPosted: 22:36 - 16 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

os places I've heard of don't take any waiver payments or any other type of payments for damage to the bike :s
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PostPosted: 06:30 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
Where I'm doing my cbt they want £20 extra for a 'damage waiver' because if i ditch the bike without it I have to pay £1000 towards it.

Their bike, their rules. If you don't like it, look elsewhere.
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PostPosted: 07:15 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
Ahhh this old chesnut. Wink

Just to PROVE to you that the CBT is easy and you need not worry (even if you've never been on a motorbike before)...

...I was on the 'off-road' section of the CBT, in the morning and we'd just learnt how to pull away and change up to second and back down into first. We were told to do circuits of the playground we were on just to get used to leaning etc. I was approaching a corner about 25mph and instead of pulling the front brake, I pulled the clutch... this resulted in me NOT slowing down so I ditched the bike.

The bike hit the wall and instantly started pouring our fuel and oil, the forks were bent, the rear wheel was badly bent, so on and so on.

I still passed! Very Happy Laughing


Did you have to pay for the bike at all?

Where I'm doing my cbt they want £20 extra for a 'damage waiver' because if i ditch the bike without it I have to pay £1000 towards it.

Wtf? Should'nt that be included in the overall price?

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No, I offered to pay for it but they just said "Nah, don't worry about it, its covered by the insurance" and then got out the spare bike Laughing Good times.

I would of thought that any damage that occurs would be included in the price due to the amount of people that have never been on a bike before, so sod paying that - That £20 could go in your fuel tank after CBT Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately if instructors put the real cost of bike damage onto the a CBT the price would go up considerably. To be honest for most schools a CBT makes hardly any profit.
As an instructor you get very good at changing busted/bent levers, straightening footpegs and replacing smashed indicators.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about it, just get booked-in and do it! The CBT course is designed to get you up to a certain standard without having to do or learn anything beforehand, so if you know where all the controls are and how they work, your miles ahead already!

When you reach the required standard, you will be given a certificate that validates your provisional licence.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks alot everyone, booking my CBT for early next month now!
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