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monkeymark
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Sorry..... I'm still confused! Reply with quote

Hi all, new here so a quick intro first.

Ok, I'm 34 and originally tried to get into biking over 10 years ago but failed the test due to foot down on u-turn. Got very discouraged and stopped there. There us a little more to it but I won't bore people unless they really want it all.

Anyway. I'm looking into it again. Always wanted to but never had the push but working with a couple other riders and seeing them ride in every day has me itching to do it again!

Ok, intro over, now to the reason for posting.
I know the rules are changing in January and as I need to get my licence updated (still on paper one) I'll never get it done before the changes.

So, after the changes, what are the options available to me?

Really I'd like to ride larger bikes as I'd like to tour around Europe, but not sure if I have the confidence to go for DAS again.

Any clarification of routes available to me or general comments will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers, Mark
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bore me.. spill the beans grandpa
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAS will be your easiest option.

There is a misconception however that DAS is only available as part of a week long (or crash) course.

One option available to you:
Buy yourself a 125cc bike after completing your CBT and ride this around to gain experience. Take lessons on the 125cc bike.

Once you're at a stage where you're confident with your riding ability, there are a few other options availble to you.

You could:
- Take a conversion lesson on to a big bike and then attempt to do your tests on the school's bike
- Find a friend who owns a bike with the legal power for you to do DAS, get temporary insurance on it and use that for the tests
- Hire a bike and use that to do your tests

You can do your DAS tests as flexibly as you can currently do the 125cc tests. It doesn't all have to be done through a school in a week Smile

Hope some of this helps.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

U turn is a piece of a cake - lean the bike, keep yourself upright, job done.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kingstondavo wrote:
U turn is a piece of a cake - lean the bike, keep yourself upright, job done.


Lean the bike? I wouldnt advise consciously leaning the bike, just look to were you want to go keep the revs up and thats it.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said DAS will be the easiest and quickest route. Financially about £500 to £600 ballpark.

Suggest if not confident on DAS you post your location for the recommended schools/instructors in your area.

Also if not confident do CBT and get a 125cc for practice (I did).

There has been a few threads on this and if you search for the words of wisdom from Teflon-Mike it might be worth a read (make sure you have time and are sitting comfortably).

The money spent on my DAS is amongst the best I've spent.

Best of luck getting on 2 wheels.

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PostPosted: 20:30 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

illuminateTHEmind wrote:
bore me.. spill the beans grandpa


Ok.
I was learning on a Bandit 600. Had done a few lessons and always felt pretty confident. Had done a fair few u-turns no problem.
The day of the test: went out for a two hour lesson first. Another learner had his test an hour before mine. Half an hour in my instructor got a call and we went back to the office. The other learner had his chain snap. We were to swap bikes so he could do his test on mine while they replaced the chain on his. In the mean time I would be given another bike.
The other bike was en er500. Lighter, less powerful and lowered quite a bit. I didn't like how it handled but wasn't bothered as I would be changing back to the bandit for the test right? Wrong!
Turns out the chain had cracked a casing.
I did the test on a bike u had about a half hour experience on. All went well till the u-turn. It leaned in faster then I expected due to being lighter but though I'd just give more throttle to compensate but as it had less "guts" than what I was used to I didn't give it enough. Only just dabbed foot but still failed.

Went back in for test a few weeks Later but was given no more instruction. Felt good till the u-turn when I just lost it with nerves.

Felt let down by the way the instructors had treat me and how they spoke to me over the phone when I asked about the part refund they had offered due to the problem first time round.

Examiner said second run was almost faultless other then the u-turn.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there

The best way if you need the confidence, change school. Do a CBT, pick up a cheap 125cc bike. Ride it for a bit, do your theory test. Then if you want to go DAS book a lesion and test for your Mod1. Once passed book another lesion and Mod2 test.

You will find riding your own 125cc bike for a few months will help out a lot and build your confidence back up Wink
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are older and wiser now with a lot more miles on the road under your belt.

I would book a CBT at a local school and give it a go. If you look in the regional sections someone may be able to recommend one near you, if not ask at local bike / gear dealers - always plenty of cards / advice on hand in mine.

Do the CBT and see how you feel - if you can sail through the CBT you are more or less 80% to getting your MOD 1.

I didn't buy a 125, just did my DAS over a few weeks, others have etc etc - no hard or set rule.

You need the CBT anyway, so may as well get it booked and see how you feel after a day on a bike.
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monkeymark
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the replies.

I have tried the regional section but it appears I cant access them yet.

Any recommendations for in/around the Durham area?

I'll be getting my license renewed just after Christmas and following up shortly after with a CBT (much more expensive than the last time i did it Sad )

I think decisions are harder when your trying to do these things on a tight budget. I know getting a 125 will probably be the best route for experience but don't want to "waste" money. Though i'm sure if i chose wisely i could get back most if/when upgrading.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there

The money you can save on commuting to work on a bike adds up very quickly, my cheap Chinese 125cc bike has already payed for itself and now is paying for my gear and tests.

Bike £10 petrol a week

Car £50-60 petrol a week Sad

So £200-250 a month saved Smile
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monkeymark
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

FireStorm-X wrote:
Hi there

The money you can save on commuting to work on a bike adds up very quickly, my cheap Chinese 125cc bike has already payed for itself and now is paying for my gear and tests.

Bike £10 petrol a week

Car £50-60 petrol a week Sad

So £200-250 a month saved Smile


Well i only live about 3 miles from where i work so wont save much in petrol. Though i should save time as coming home i get caught in traffic every night. A 5 min journey takes 15/20 mins with the traffic.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

monkeymark wrote:
Well i only live about 3 miles from where i work so wont save much in petrol. Though i should save time as coming home i get caught in traffic every night. A 5 min journey takes 15/20 mins with the traffic.


You'll still find the journey taking the same amount of time. Just unlike with your car where most of the time was spend queuing, most of your time will be spent getting geared up/down and getting the bike ready to ride. Smile

monkeymark wrote:
I think decisions are harder when your trying to do these things on a tight budget. I know getting a 125 will probably be the best route for experience but don't want to "waste" money. Though i'm sure if i chose wisely i could get back most if/when upgrading.


A 125 will sell for what you bought it for. I bought my CBR125 for £800, crashed it 3 times and sold it for £900. Smile
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
DAS will be your easiest option.

There is a misconception however that DAS is only available as part of a week long (or crash) course.

One option available to you:
Buy yourself a 125cc bike after completing your CBT and ride this around to gain experience. Take lessons on the 125cc bike.

Once you're at a stage where you're confident with your riding ability, there are a few other options availble to you.

You could:
- Take a conversion lesson on to a big bike and then attempt to do your tests on the school's bike
- Find a friend who owns a bike with the legal power for you to do DAS, get temporary insurance on it and use that for the tests
- Hire a bike and use that to do your tests

You can do your DAS tests as flexibly as you can currently do the 125cc tests. It doesn't all have to be done through a school in a week Smile

Hope some of this helps.


I did something similar to this, bought a 125, rode it for 4 months. In the meantime I had 1 lesson on the 125, then 3 lessons on the big bike, took my tests, passed both first time and have a full license.

The time spent on the 125 was invaluable and I think it saved me money on lessons as I didn't spend 500-600 on an intensive course.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davenaylor wrote:
I did something similar to this, bought a 125, rode it for 4 months. In the meantime I had 1 lesson on the 125, then 3 lessons on the big bike, took my tests, passed both first time and have a full license.

The time spent on the 125 was invaluable and I think it saved me money on lessons as I didn't spend 500-600 on an intensive course.


It's definitely what I would do if I was old enough to do DAS. Smile
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAS is drfinitely your best option, both the tests are much easier on a big bike.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

U turn is even easier now as well as its done on the mod 1 off road and the amount of space you get to do it is massive.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

s1h wrote:
U turn is even easier now as well as its done on the mod 1 off road and the amount of space you get to do it is massive.

I like the sound if that.

My first one was on a narrow road but the examiner made me pull up quite close behind a parked car making for a tight turn to start.
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PostPosted: 01:08 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can do DAS with good training school with guaranteed pass policy and about 800 pounds

However it is way better if you go for CBT and get 125 and learn to ride before that.
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PostPosted: 05:45 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't think its been mentioned yet, but at 34 you don't need to worry about the changes in January.
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PostPosted: 06:07 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JFK wrote:
Don't think its been mentioned yet, but at 34 you don't need to worry about the changes in January.


Unless the test is taken on a 125. Or a less than something bhp bike. Or an above something bhp bike. There are gonna be three categories, right?
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My DAS training school is in Bishop Auckland they are excellent if this is not to far for you let me know and i will give you details.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, good news, you'll be doing your (A aka A3) tests on at least a 595cc bike, and likely a newish one.

I'd also recommend getting a 125 for commuting and practice, although there's not much reason to hang around. Don't buy new, something like a used Varadero will hold its value very well.

One thing to watch out for is getting an underwriter who'll swap the insurance to a bigger bike once you pass. I'd check on this carefully before buying insurance, it could cost you quite a bit if they only cover 125s.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

First things first. Get the theory out of the way.

Sounds like you had a bad experience of a training company as well. There are too many of these kind of reports.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sa1988 wrote:
JFK wrote:
Don't think its been mentioned yet, but at 34 you don't need to worry about the changes in January.


Unless the test is taken on a 125. Or a less than something bhp bike. Or an above something bhp bike. There are gonna be three categories, right?


Ah didn't know that! Christ that gets confusing!
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