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roo12
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 21 May 2012    Post subject: Old bike, old mudguard... Paint job? Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

I was thinking of replacing my little Suzuki GP100 's mudguard (pics attached), as it's rusty and scratched in places. But the thing is, the only available ones I can find to replace it are shiny chrome, and wouldn't look nearly as nice as the ones already on the bike, in my opinion anyway.

So do you think its ok to paint over where the rust and scratches are? Or will it look uneven and bodged... Maybe I should just re-paint the whole mudguard? And anyone know a good way of doing this? Or a good paint to use?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 21 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

you'd have to take the whole thing down to shiny new clean metal.

apply a rust treatment coat, primer, colour coat, clear coat.

but frankly that thing looks pretty beat up, dents in the side, rust, cracks.

can you not get a replacement on ebay?
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 21 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

secretreeve wrote:
you'd have to take the whole thing down to shiny new clean metal.

apply a rust treatment coat, primer, colour coat, clear coat.

but frankly that thing looks pretty beat up, dents in the side, rust, cracks.

can you not get a replacement on ebay?


Ahh ok, thanks.

I agree with you, it would much better be replaced, but I've looked on ebay and the only ones on there are these shiny chrome things... really ugly looking on an old bike I think! I guess I could have a go at painting them instead?
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you do, get a mini palm sander with 240 grit to take the majority off.

then use a 500 or 700 to make sure all the paint and rust is off and the metal is clean and shiny.

then whack a 1200 grit over it to smoothen it off.

at this point the rust treatment is best applied then when dry a few layers of primer.

sand down with 1200 wet n dry to a smooth finish

apply colour coats and redo the 1200 wetndry

then clear coat.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

secretreeve wrote:
if you do, get a mini palm sander with 240 grit to take the majority off.

then use a 500 or 700 to make sure all the paint and rust is off and the metal is clean and shiny.

then whack a 1200 grit over it to smoothen it off.

at this point the rust treatment is best applied then when dry a few layers of primer.

sand down with 1200 wet n dry to a smooth finish

apply colour coats and redo the 1200 wetndry

then clear coat.


Right I think thats what I'll try and do. Thanks so much for all the information Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever you do, if thats the original mudguard, dont throw it away.

by all means stick on a new chrome one but keep that one in the back of the shed as if you keep the bike for any length of time, chances are you'll come back to it.

As for the restoration suggestions, they are more describing finishing techniques in my opinion. It certainly looks like the metal has cracked in more than one place there.

Once you have de-rusted (knot wheel and/or sandblaster most effective) there will be splits, pits and possibly holes. If you have a welder, you will be able to let in repair sections where the metal has thinned around a hole or split. If you don't have a welder, you can achieve a "reasonable bodge" with fibreglass and filler. but the chances of paint splitting will be higher if you do - not to mention future owners cursing you.

I managed to "rebuild" an old BSA rear mudguard that had completely rotted around the seams once. the compound curve nature of a mudguard makes panel beating repair patches difficult but its not impossible. When you have a base that is solid - then you can go to town with filler, sanding a shiny paint if that's your thing.

First job - get it into bare metal and see the extent of the damage.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnser wrote:
Whatever you do, if thats the original mudguard, dont throw it away.

by all means stick on a new chrome one but keep that one in the back of the shed as if you keep the bike for any length of time, chances are you'll come back to it.

As for the restoration suggestions, they are more describing finishing techniques in my opinion. It certainly looks like the metal has cracked in more than one place there.

Once you have de-rusted (knot wheel and/or sandblaster most effective) there will be splits, pits and possibly holes. If you have a welder, you will be able to let in repair sections where the metal has thinned around a hole or split. If you don't have a welder, you can achieve a "reasonable bodge" with fibreglass and filler. but the chances of paint splitting will be higher if you do - not to mention future owners cursing you.

I managed to "rebuild" an old BSA rear mudguard that had completely rotted around the seams once. the compound curve nature of a mudguard makes panel beating repair patches difficult but its not impossible. When you have a base that is solid - then you can go to town with filler, sanding a shiny paint if that's your thing.

First job - get it into bare metal and see the extent of the damage.


Yeah you're right, I will make sure to keep the old guard Thumbs Up

I see what you mean about repairing the cracks, I have a sandblaster to get it stripped down but don't have a welder, so I'm not sure any solid repair will be possible - may have to go for a filler like you say. Ideally I'd like to try repairing it instead of using a new chrome one, but I'd kind of given up on the idea of trying!

What do you mean by 'panel beating repair patches'?

Thanks for adding to the info.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

roo12 wrote:


What do you mean by 'panel beating repair patches'?


well, to do what I feel is a "proper" job, you need to replace missing/thinned metal with new metal. and to do this you need to make a new bit of metal the same shape as the old metal - as below

hole:
https://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff114/Johnser3050/bantam%20mud%20guard/DSCF1234.jpg

repair patch:
https://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff114/Johnser3050/bantam%20mud%20guard/DSCF1238.jpg

cleaned up:
https://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff114/Johnser3050/bantam%20mud%20guard/DSCF1239.jpg

hole:
https://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff114/Johnser3050/bantam%20mud%20guard/DSCF1235.jpg

repair strip:
https://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff114/Johnser3050/bantam%20mud%20guard/DSCF1244.jpg

mudguards are tricky as they bend in two dimensions - sheet steel likes to fold along one line so you have to work hard to stretch it into the right shape


edit: whoaah - huge pics, sorry 'bout that, not sure exactly how to get neater small ones
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't mind the huge pics - they're awesome, looks like you did a real proper repair there!

I understand what you mean about the difficulty with the curved surface now, tricky one.

May just have to get myself a welder... Cool

I've started sanding it all down now, so will see what it looks like when its completely bare.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

watch the episode of american chopper where they do the liberty bike.

the poor dude with the rat tail on the chin beats the fuck out of a panel of metal making into the face of "lady liberty" (looked fuck all like her mind).

either way its a pretty good example of panel beating and the time and effort that goes into shaping metal. dont think anyone can honestly disagree with that.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

roo12 wrote:

May just have to get myself a welder... Cool


very useful indeed. but they do take up a fair bit of space and most "bike folk" seem to manage to do ok without them. More of a classic car requirement. perhaps as bike bits tend to be bolt on/off.

Either way, if you've space, a bit of cash and time to learn, do it - before you realise it, it'll be a sunny sunday and you'll be building a chopper bicycle or a garden chiminea.... just because Very Happy
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