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Laura
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 03 May 2004    Post subject: Saftey Gear Reply with quote

Well after recent incidents and me being very silly and not wearing leathers I thought I would try and point out the importance of proper fitting equipment. I went out in combats, boots, gloves and textile jacket. I came of and am very lucky to have skin on my legs. My gloves and jacket are only slightly scuffs. My lid which I stoped 5 miles before and korn adjusted the strap as before my lid pulled up right over my jaw bone. If this had not been adjusted it could of been possible for my face to have slid on the floor also.
I have learnt my lesson on then fact that I have been very lucky not to have serious cuts on my legs which would have totally been my fault. So the point that I am trying to make I suppose is to think if going out in casual clothes is worth the risk no matter how far you are going.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 03 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it had to happen some time. I'm sure most people have had the importance of wearing proper protection stressed many times, but it does hit home when someone close is lucky it wasn't worse.

I'd like to get a government-funded group together to investigate, promote and research protective equipment for motorcyclists but I dunno if there's one out there already.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 03 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, i have a £100 Frank Thomas textile jacket with kevlar armour all round except the back. I also have frank thomas Racing Gloves/Alpine Stars storm proof gloves. Then theres my Frank Thomas boots.

I always wear these with pair of jeans on on my Scooter/Bike thing DNA 125. When i hit the hedge and road at 80mph. I was glad i only got thorns in my arse.

If i got anything bigger i would be right out to get some protected overtousers. For now i have some Frank Thomas ones for when its pissing it down.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 03 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Laura at least something good has come out of this wee fall of yours Wink Hopefully if you ever were to spill the bike again you will be wearing leathers Thumbs Up

If people must go out wearing normal trousers, I would say at the very least make it a thick pair of jeans.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 03 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have come off my old cg when I was only wearing leathers and bust my knee up quite bad, then I got my RS but I still couldn't afford leathers so rode it with jeans on. I went out for a short ride and got knocked off and bust my other knee. I now have 2 small scars on my knee's, both of these accidents were slow speed but gave me nasty cuts, if I'd been going faster it could of been a lot worse for me!
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izzi81
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 03 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

leather trousers are something I haven't invested in yet but given the bike I have now I really need to get to a shop and get myself some!
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 03 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a leather suit when I crashed my bike, it served me well hung up in my bedroom at home. It may have saved some of my injuries but not all Wink.

I haven't learnt from my mistakes and since I have been out in less than a jacket. I like to think that this summer will be different but we'll see.

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PostPosted: 02:14 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dup wrote:
Yep, i have a £100 Frank Thomas textile jacket with kevlar armour all round except the back.


You wanna be getting a back protector in there mate Shocked

Kevlar is wicked stuff - but only if it's actually there to begin with!!!

Seriously - protect your back Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 09:28 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

AcIdBuRnZ wrote:
Seriously - protect your back Thumbs Up

I agree with that. Your back is one of the most likely places to take damage in a crash. I got a back protector when I got my leathers the other week.
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Dup
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I can't find one. FT's website is always down and i've been to two deralers, well stockists and they have no idea. My jacket is still made too. Gonna get a new one soon anyway.

I love that jacket though. Keeps me very warm and very cool. Its about an inch thick too!
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, back protectors. Bit of a split opinion at the moment really. In some accidents they have been known to slide up and apply pressure on the back of the neck and spine. I think TC was recommending soft armour over the stuff with the hard outer shell, but I'm sure he'll put me right!

Saying that, I do wear back protection myself and it's the hard kind, mainly because it's built into my Jacket. I also wear a separate protector that straps to the body when I use the 1pce. It really is down to you to decide what to do and how to assess the risks involved.

Here's a link to a shop that sells some separate protectors just to give you some idea. There are many more around though so you may find something to suit somewhere else if you decide to get one.

https://www.sondel.co.uk/store.html
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

After seeing what my b/f went through after his accident, I have to admit, I dont even run down to the shops in anything less than my leathers. One person in this relationship with a walking stick as a permanent fixture is more than enough Evil or Very Mad
Am glad to hear ure ok, Laura *hugs*
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laura.... TUT TUT!

Seriously <<<<<<<HUG>>>>>>>
Good job you're ok though, and I'm sure you couldn't have damaged Poppy beyond repair Wink



As for back protectors, I think it's all to do with the fit, as of yet I have not found one which fits me personally. I assume, like helmets they are something you have to try on. Your back is a very precious thing which can be easily damaged by all sorts of things, it is recommended not to wear a ruck sack when you're riding - yet one prevented me breaking my back. It's all touch and go what is best in that area.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
Hmm, back protectors. Bit of a split opinion at the moment really. In some accidents they have been known to slide up and apply pressure on the back of the neck and spine. I think TC was recommending soft armour over the stuff with the hard outer shell, but I'm sure he'll put me right!



There have been a number of serious injuries caused by hard back protectors and quite a few that have caused fatalities due to a broken neck caused by the back protector riding up and digging into the base of the spine.

A strap on protector can twist, whereas a soft memory foam back protector built into your leathers for example can not only prevent twisting and moving up, but is flexible enough that it will not cause serious spine and neck injuries and, the shock absorbancy and spread of impact load is greater.

I was at an inquest last week where the cause of death was attributed not to the collision but to the fact that the back protector actually moved up his body whilst he was in mid air as he twisted and as he impacted the road the top of his back protector snapped the back of his neck, he was dead within seconds!
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

so the best thing for your back is something soft and yet protective built into your jacket? I'm about to invest in various new bits of clothing and I already have a not 100% back so I'm quite keen to get the right thing!
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

izzi81 wrote:
so the best thing for your back is something soft and yet protective built into your jacket? I'm about to invest in various new bits of clothing and I already have a not 100% back so I'm quite keen to get the right thing!


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PostPosted: 16:05 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Hein Gerricke jacket has a built in back protector in it. After using that with my new bike compared to the textilejacket I used to use on smaller bikes I'll never wear the other one again!

A mate of mine did a track day at Donington the other week and his back protector was riding up while he was going round in the first session. He said it was getting painful at the back of his neck then! He made a few adjustments and it was fine after that, but if they can move like that under rigorous riding conditions I'd hate to have one move if I was flying through the air towards tarmac! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hiprotec protection is flexible armour - this what you mean? Hein Gericke use it (in my leathers).

The strap-on (ohh - kinky! Wink ) ones seem like a good fit. I saw one that is part of a vest type top so that it fits perfect and doesn't ride -up.

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PostPosted: 16:23 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get protectors from hein gerickle that clip into to nearly anything.

https://www.hein-gericke.com/hg-shop/eurobike/eb_frameset.php
(under clothing on the left)

I do doubt the level of protection that all of this stuff offers. Sure its better than nothing, but i think its wrong to beleive that it will prevent serious injury.

I was watching something with Jeremy clarkson the other week where he had one of those NATO bullet proof vests and inside it said something like "this clothing is not designed to prevent injury from ballistic impacts"
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest I find my thong ample protection. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hein Gericke Hiprotec back protector is the best because it is foam and can't cause any injury (well apart from maybe a bit of chafing!)
RiDE tests have consistently proven that the rubber Hiprotec armour is one of the best for impact absorption properties. Added to this, in the last test that I read like this, they said that the Hiprotec armor was the ony one to retain its impact absorption properties after an impact!

I vote Hein Gericke for armour! Thumbs Up Smile
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hex wrote:
To be honest I find my thong ample protection. Laughing


The old one yes but the new one??? From kevs pic Sick
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the good weather I am guilty of just wearing a jacket gloves and helmet. On cold mornings going to work I wear textile trousers and boots, though these are more to keep me warm than for safety. Leathers would look silly on an MT50... Confused
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 04 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Came off my sisters scooterette yasterday with only cotton pants on and my knees are hell Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 05 May 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrchips wrote:
In the good weather I am guilty of just wearing a jacket gloves and helmet.


Really? JUST a jacket, gloves and helmet? You know there are laws against public nudity you know. I would say ask Hex, but he doesn't care! Laughing
Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll get me (armour back protected) coat! Wink

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On cold mornings going to work I wear textile trousers and boots, though these are more to keep me warm than for safety.


That's better, cos things can shrink in the cold... Sorry, I'm going now, honest!

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Leathers would look silly on an MT50... Confused


Err, depends on how much you care about the smooth texture of your skin mate. Rub your hand over the road surface for a few seconds and then imagine what it would be doing to your arse if you came off, even at 30mph.
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