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PostPosted: 08:57 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Masked bikers denying council parking fines Reply with quote

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/9764693.Masked_bikers_warn_drivers_about_spy_cars/

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How long till its made a crime or they too get tickets?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9324722/Police-fine-motorists-who-flashed-headlights-near-speed-traps.html
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Masked bikers denying council parking fines Reply with quote

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Bored, unemployed, stupid, repetitive............ Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Masked bikers denying council parking fines Reply with quote

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Bored, unemployed, stupid, repetitive............ Rolling Eyes


^^ Too lazy to actually read the article.

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"Their leader is trader Bob Wells, 52, who has led similar protests in Westminster and Bexley, Kent.

Mr Wells, owner of Printer and Cartridge Solutions in Woodgrange Drive, Southend, started his campaign following fears the spy car was driving vital custom away from his business. "

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PostPosted: 10:34 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mr Wells, owner of Printer and Cartridge Solutions in Woodgrange Drive, Southend, started his campaign following fears the spy car was driving vital custom away from his business.
He claims the car travels along the road past the stretch of shops at least once a day looking for illegal parkers. And therefore is not fulfilling its purpose.


So his only reason for doing it was because his customers were too lazy to walk from a proper legal parking place...

Surely the whole purpose of these cars is to catch lazy and stupid people who have no thought for other road users by simply parking wereever they want to save themselves having to walk a bit further... Twisted Evil
So perhaps they need to spend more time on that road Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The $camera car footpads cried foul at first - some of them drove up to coppers and squealed "HALP! They're watching us! It's our job to watch them!" but it's come to nothing, since there's no offence being committed. As the schunters note, they're following the car, not the occupants. The footpads have since got used to it too - it gives them a handy excuse for not hitting their (alleged Wink ) ticketing targets while they abandon their cars on double yellows and sod off to do their shopping.

Personally I think this is a brilliant wheeze bit of voluntary civil service, and fair play to those with the time and inclination to do it. To re-iterate: they're helping to ensure full compliance with the local parking and traffic restrictions, and they're doing so a lot more effectively than deploying teeny stealth cars with periscopes, a filthy Hunnish trick if ever I saw one.

It's popular with locals and goes a long way to mitigate the damage done by the Trafalgar Square lockdowns by the bike parking tax group that the No To Mob splintered off from.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So pretty much everyone on this forum would get fined then. Because we own bikes we park on pavements if we're quickly nipping into a shop. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So pretty much everyone on this forum would get fined then. Because we own bikes we park on pavements if we're quickly nipping into a shop. Laughing

Not those that live in London or not nearly enough; only place you have serious trouble getting away with it.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Masked bikers denying council parking fines Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:

Bored, unemployed, stupid, repetitive............ Rolling Eyes


^^ Too lazy to actually read the article.

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"Their leader is trader Bob Wells, 52, who has led similar protests in Westminster and Bexley, Kent.

Mr Wells, owner of Printer and Cartridge Solutions in Woodgrange Drive, Southend, started his campaign following fears the spy car was driving vital custom away from his business. "


It's like if you played some sport and someone would warn you, that referee's watching you Laughing

I won't change my mind, I do think it's stupid and useless. If you don't know the rules, then don't drive. Here's (in CZE) no one who would go and point a finger at a police car to save some drivers that don't know the rules. If you park your car in prohibited area, it's your fault if you get a ticket. Smile

We also have unmarked police cars and interceptors here, but they do not catch some drivers that leave their cars right at the sign. Rolling Eyes I mean, police could and will give you a ticket for bad parking, but definitely not in a ''special'' police car
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
mysterious_rider wrote:
So pretty much everyone on this forum would get fined then. Because we own bikes we park on pavements if we're quickly nipping into a shop. Laughing

Not those that live in London or not nearly enough; only place you have serious trouble getting away with it.



Laughing Damn that. That's half the point of a bike. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Masked bikers denying council parking fines Reply with quote

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Here's (in CZE) no one who would go and point a finger at a police car to save some drivers that don't know the rules.

It depends how they're enforced. Here in Blighty, enforcement of many parking and moving "offences" is now primarily a revenue raising operation rather than a deterrent.

In this case, we're not talking about police, we're talking about private companies which have been contracted by councils in order to achieve the councils' goals of "100% compliance with no penalties".

However, since the enforcement companies get paid primarily through penalties, and the councils include penalties in their budgets - and run into funding problems when people actually start avoiding them - they're kidding nobody.

Anyway, I can't see your problem. Third time for luck, the bikers are simply helping people to obey ze rules, and to achieve that claimed "100% compliance with no penalties".

The footpads and councils haven't yet managed to come up with a way to prevent or even criticise that other than to bleat that the footpads feel "intimidated" by being watched. Poor dears, how simply dreadful of them to feel the shoe being on the other foot for a change. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Masked bikers denying council parking fines Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
Here's (in CZE) no one who would go and point a finger at a police car to save some drivers that don't know the rules.

It depends how they're enforced. Here in Blighty, enforcement of many parking and moving "offences" is now primarily a revenue raising operation rather than a deterrent.

In this case, we're not talking about police, we're talking about private companies which have been contracted by councils in order to achieve the councils' goals of "100% compliance with no penalties".

However, since the enforcement companies get paid primarily through penalties, and the councils include penalties in their budgets - and run into funding problems when people actually start avoiding them - they're kidding nobody.

Anyway, I can't see your problem. Third time for luck, the bikers are simply helping people to obey ze rules, and to achieve that claimed "100% compliance with no penalties".

The footpads and councils haven't yet managed to come up with a way to prevent or even criticise that other than to bleat that the footpads feel "intimidated" by being watched. Poor dears, how simply dreadful of them to feel the shoe being on the other foot for a change. Very Happy


Alright then, I think I understand now. Smile
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Council quote with the fat cut out:

"unfortunately...they were not breaking the law"

So now you want people to break the law just for the thrill of punishing them?

Sadistic bastard. Bet he wears crotchless leather pants on a thursday night.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Masked bikers denying council parking fines Reply with quote

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^^That's been going on for a while. I don't flash my lights any more, I give a 'slow down' hand-signal. Misuse of headlamps may be an offence, but I don't think waving at someone is (although it probably will be soon).

From that article:

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Speeding motorists need to be stopped and spoken to by officers so that they will seriously consider their irresponsible driving behaviour and hopefully drive more appropriately in the future


Which I read as:

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Speeding motorists need to be stopped, lectured and condescended to by officers, and whilst we've got them there it's a bloody good opportunity to fit them up for anything else we can imagine.

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PostPosted: 07:39 - 20 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair do's to them, the council is killing trade in southend. I saw the spy car near the kursaal yesterday with no bikers in sight but I hope I see them, they're doing a good job IMO. Yesterday the car was booking people who'd just parked opposite Tesco to nip in for a minute (they weren't causing any harm). I no longer visit southend in the car because of car parking charges, I'd rather spend £2 extra on fuel and drive to lakeside than visit southend and pay £3.50 to park, I feel for the traders, the council does what it can to drive trade away. Before I might have stopped on a double yellow directly outside a shop (causing no obstruction) to pick up fish & chips, or nip in and buy something etc, as long as the car was in sight it was fine, but now I just don't bother any more. The council would call that a victory but it won't be when even more shops close down. I'm against any more anti-motorist crap whilst there are much more important things to be dealing with that the police/council are incapable of focussing on. </rant>
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 20 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm almost disappointed that these cars are not getting vandalised on a regular basis frankly, the Plymouth ones are confirmed to routinely fine people for simply pulling over and offloading passengers on the main shopping street. The whole 'keeping the roads safe' is so far from the truth it's insulting.

And yeah, Plymouth council are doing a similar job here too, both with parking fees and outrageous business rates and fees. I can rent a house for less than what it costs to use a stall in our pannier market Shocked
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 20 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

soforene wrote:
Bikerdom at it's best.
Bikers generally get lumped with an "Outlaw" tag so it's nice to see some using their biker powers for good.
However, officialdom is (as usual) trying to sling some mud at our heroic comrades even though they are doing a civic duty.

Gawd bless ya Lads !! Thumbs Up


As much as we all think that councils, police, law enforcers are there for our good, in the end they are a business like any other. And like any business out there, they are here to make money and instead of selling goods and services, they are enforcing fines and tickets. Good on our biker bretheren to achieve the same "goal" without the the financial loss to joe blogs....
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 20 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a bunch of cnuts.

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Pc Antony Gray, of Lancashire Police’s road policing unit, said: “People who flash their headlights at other cars to warn them that there are police officers nearby may think that they are doing someone a favour but potentially they are putting lives at risk.
"The difference of a few miles per hour can mean the difference between life and death – the risk of death is approximately four times higher when a pedestrian is hit at 40mph than at 30mph.


So surely the flashing of lights is a good thing? The whole purpose being to slow drivers down. If someone flashed their lights at me I would know the peelers are there and slow down accordingly.

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Flashing your lights at someone may make them slow down for just a second, but it will not make them change their habits in the long run.


Oh so thats it. I dont mean to sound cynical but handing someone a fine wont make them slow down neither will standing at the side of a road with a twat gun. They'll still get into the car next time and speed.

Theres a static camera on my way home from work and cars approach this at around 40, slam on the brakes just before the camera and then speed up again just after it thus proving the point.

If a flash of a light causes people to slow down then surely thats positive. If anything, more positive than the police standing around with their twat gun.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 20 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Masked bikers denying council parking fines Reply with quote

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That sucks so much! If you thought of it in a similar way you should now not try to prevent any crime. Lets say you were in the local newsagents and see someone stuff a special brew in their pocket you could be done for perverting the course of justice if you told them not to, after all the CCTV would provide a good chance of conviction.

I can't help thinking that if he had a proper lawyer he would've got away with it. But now he's a part of case law making it easier to convict anyone else.

Obviously that case was obstructing a police officer not improper use of headlights. That means a hand wave would be just as illegal. Perhaps using headlights is a better bet - at least they're likely to go for the easy fine rather than taking you to court.

I just installed trapster - an app that allows live reporting of speed cameras as well as showing all the static cams (there's a confidence rating system to prevent abuse). Surely that system (and similar ones) as well as those that use it are on dodgy ground too!
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 20 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
What a bunch of cnuts.

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Pc Antony Gray, of Lancashire Police’s road policing unit, said: “People who flash their headlights at other cars to warn them that there are police officers nearby may think that they are doing someone a favour but potentially they are putting lives at risk.
"The difference of a few miles per hour can mean the difference between life and death – the risk of death is approximately four times higher when a pedestrian is hit at 40mph than at 30mph.

imho that Just proves the lie about the police and road safety. If they truly believed in the safety then they would be out there in hi viz busy educating, supporting those who help people slow down and making a difference. Guess that costs money though. Instead they are hiding in bushes like modern highway robbers demanding money. Then they wonder where respect for the police has gone.

Sadly the traffic police is the branch most people have contact with. The abuse of power and holier than God a attitude shown by traffic officers is detrimental to all the other hard working and honest police.

Nice to see they are still rolling out the line about speed. Speed does not kill. However inappropriate use of speed can be dangerous. Trouble is that does not make a snappy sound bite and look good on a poster. Iirc most accidents with pedestrians happen at low speed as the vehicle is braking.

Got to love the police tag lines. To serve and protect. So that will be a no and no then.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 20 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Masked bikers denying council parking fines Reply with quote

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I just installed trapster - an app that allows live reporting of speed cameras as well as showing all the static cams (there's a confidence rating system to prevent abuse). Surely that system (and similar ones) as well as those that use it are on dodgy ground too!

FWIW France has banned Sat nav with speed camera locations. As we are supposed to be one big happy Europe I guess it is am excuse if they wanted to try that here.
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