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Lyam
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 11 Jun 2012    Post subject: american bike coms Reply with quote

my friend told me that if and when he does his test we should get bike coms from america as the uk has a legal limit on the range of a radio walky talky and america you can get ones up to 50 miles range? anyone know anything about this?
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 11 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: american bike coms Reply with quote

Lyam wrote:
my friend told me that if and when he does his test we should get bike coms from america as the uk has a legal limit on the range of a radio walky talky and america you can get ones up to 50 miles range? anyone know anything about this?


Maybe, but if you use it in the UK prepare to go to court and be severely punished. The authorities take a very dim view of that sort of thing.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 11 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

how would they know?
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 11 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the signal can travel 50 miles, the transmitter will need to be quite powerful so you'd be easy to track down. Also the wavelength used might be reserved for something else here in the UK compared to the US.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 11 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lanester wrote:
If the signal can travel 50 miles, the transmitter will need to be quite powerful so you'd be easy to track down. Also the wavelength used might be reserved for something else here in the UK compared to the US.


I suspect those kinds of frequencies are reserved for the emergency services. It would be pretty bloody obvious to the Police that you had illegal radios if you're voices came across on their own frequencies talking about riding bikes. It'd only be a matter of time before you'd get arrested.

Not only would you get arrested for illegally using radios, but the Police might add in a few other charges in there like obstructing a police officer etc etc. They don't like their lives being disrupted.

Its taken very seriously, more seriously than you might otherwise imagine.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 11 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
lanester wrote:
If the signal can travel 50 miles, the transmitter will need to be quite powerful so you'd be easy to track down. Also the wavelength used might be reserved for something else here in the UK compared to the US.


I suspect those kinds of frequencies are reserved for the emergency services. It would be pretty bloody obvious to the Police that you had illegal radios if you're voices came across on their own frequencies talking about riding bikes. It'd only be a matter of time before you'd get arrested.

Not only would you get arrested for illegally using radios, but the Police might add in a few other charges in there like obstructing a police officer etc etc. They don't like their lives being disrupted.

Its taken very seriously, more seriously than you might otherwise imagine.


I can just see Police hitting the record button as..........."Mate I just hit 170 on the speedo Dance! " and "Did you see my wheelie" ............comes crackling out of the reciver Eh? .

Surely theres some info out there on whats on what wavelength?

Anyone got a scanner? Shifty
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 11 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lyam wrote:
how would they know?


First of all, you would have to get them past customs. & They will sieze non-UK complienet radio equipment, unless you have valid user licence for it.

Second; OFCOM monitor the air-waves. Commonly used 'illegal' frequencies they will target specifically for illegal use; they can impose BLUDY big fines for it.

Third, they monitor transmission power on legal frequencies for people breaching limits.

US (Or Australian) spec PMR radios DO NOT have ranges up to 50miles.

They use 4w transmitters, which are NO more powerful than UK legal 'licence free' CB-Radio, and can reach maybe 12miles or so in better conditions, but on 'less' robust higher frequency bands.

You get all the dissadvantages of PMR and all the dissadvantages of PMR, and risk prosecution for no real reason.

US radios that have the sort of range you are talking about are 'old' 1980's AM band CB-Radios.... a walkie talkie of that era will be teh size of a shoe-box and the weight of a car battery!

Bloke has half an idea and even less of a clue... and its a non-starter really!

Here:-

Bike 2 Bike Communication.... where to start

Read that; all you need to know. You have a choice between 'Cheap' and crap PMR more expensive and almost 'useful' PMR, then that and more robust and useful, but less used CB

And IF you really want illegal 'De-Restricted' 4w PMR... then there is hint in the post how to get it.... but its going to cost you £70 a radio, plus head-sets, and you risk being 'pinged' by OFCOM who do monitor PMR frequency for illegal use of unlicenced Taxi Radio.

You may as well, go CB for the same money, and get better range, reception & reliability, legally.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 12 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:

First of all, you would have to get them past customs. & They will sieze non-UK complienet radio equipment, unless you have valid user licence for it.


Not strictly true, you can buy all manner of grey market illegal imports through ebay. They are coming into the country all the time. They are not illegal to own, just illegal to use.

Teflon-Mike wrote:

Second; OFCOM monitor the air-waves. Commonly used 'illegal' frequencies they will target specifically for illegal use; they can impose BLUDY big fines for it.


Not really, unless you are causing problems or are transmitting in the WRONG place you would probably be fine. By wrong place I mean emergancy services, marine VHF, HAM radio freqs (they patrol their own turf). Using PMR channels or UK general you can get away with easily, OFCOMM do not give a shit about them.

Teflon-Mike wrote:

Third, they monitor transmission power on legal frequencies for people breaching limits.


Not really. Unless you are royally taking the piss, no one can really tell.


Teflon-Mike wrote:

US (Or Australian) spec PMR radios DO NOT have ranges up to 50miles.


This is true.


Teflon-Mike wrote:

They use 4w transmitters, which are NO more powerful than UK legal 'licence free' CB-Radio, and can reach maybe 12miles or so in better conditions, but on 'less' robust higher frequency bands.


Not true. Uk license free falls into 2 catagories. PMR446 - 500mW@446MHz and CB - 4W@27MHz.

Teflon-Mike wrote:

You get all the dissadvantages of PMR and all the dissadvantages of PMR, and risk prosecution for no real reason.

US radios that have the sort of range you are talking about are 'old' 1980's AM band CB-Radios.... a walkie talkie of that era will be teh size of a shoe-box and the weight of a car battery!

Bloke has half an idea and even less of a clue... and its a non-starter really!

Here:-

Bike 2 Bike Communication.... where to start

Read that; all you need to know. You have a choice between 'Cheap' and crap PMR more expensive and almost 'useful' PMR, then that and more robust and useful, but less used CB

And IF you really want illegal 'De-Restricted' 4w PMR... then there is hint in the post how to get it.... but its going to cost you £70 a radio, plus head-sets, and you risk being 'pinged' by OFCOM who do monitor PMR frequency for illegal use of unlicenced Taxi Radio.

You may as well, go CB for the same money, and get better range, reception & reliability, legally.


Avoid CB, it sucks balls. It is only 4W, you need a 9ft antenna for it to work well, it weighs a ton and is affected by the weather.


Step 1. Read teflon mikes post about bike to bike communications. It will tell you all you need to know.

Step 2. Buy a pair of baofeng uv-3r radios (£60 for the pair from ebay)

Step 3. Buy a DECENT headset.

Step 4. Choose what freqs you want to use (PMR446, SDR433, UK general UHF/VHF).

Step 5. Profit.


Warning: what I am suggesting is technically illegal, however no-one can tell and even if the plod did see the radio, he would not know either. It is even more esoteric than spotting the 33BHp restriction.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 12 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course these days you could just phone each other...
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 12 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: american bike coms Reply with quote

Lyam wrote:
my friend told me that if and when he does his test we should get bike coms from america as the uk has a legal limit on the range of a radio walky talky and america you can get ones up to 50 miles range? anyone know anything about this?


a bit.

Radio coverage tends to work a bit like an umbrella, the higher the transmitter the more area it covers. Now to get a 12 mile radius you need your transmitter on top of a high building so for a 25 mile range you need to be even higher and have a high broadcast power. Think size of radio that you would normally need a Land Rover to carry and even then you couldn't guarantee the coverage.

Conclusion. Your friend is talking crap, by a mobile.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 12 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you need 50mile range if you are riding together?

I used to be quite into CB radios and to get a decent range from a home unit you have to have a massive antenna and a pretty decent rig taking up half the back bedroom!

Having said that I did have a fairly modest midland rig on the tractor I used to drive and with a (i think) 100cm ish antenna get out 8 or miles....could chat to my mate at home 6 miles away as crow flies.

Fact is though on a regular motorcycle you just don't have to room for the unit never mind the antenna.
I'm guessing like anything if you have the money and desire/knowledge you can do anything and probably legally too.

However in the real world a couple of PMR radios and helmet headsets and you'll be ok to a point, think of what it was like doing your lessons/test. You can easily get somewhat better results than that for little money. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 12 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

50 miles is a long range. I'd suggest using a UK walky talky, and if you drift out of range stop and use a cell phone. Also in the US we use a "best scenario" rating for things like that. Is it capable of 50 miles? Yes, as long as you're in the salt flats in Utah with no obstructions, no wind, no weather, and clear line of sight. Will you ever get a 50 mile range from it riding? Nope.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 12 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you ever need that range? And why do you want to hear a mate moaning if he comes off?
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think its more to the fact that if you were gonna spend similar oney youd want he one that gave you the best range, 5 miles would be enough but 50 miles sounded better unfortunately he was talking pish as usual!!
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

and where do you buy a good headset? ebay?
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can imagine the the Op and his buddy wanting radios for when they`re screaming down the high St on their peds, oggling the local totty, and instead of shouting to each other, ere ...... look at the tits on her, does she take it up the gary etc, they can say it over the radio without the girl in question hearing what they`re shouting. Very Happy
Lyam wrote:
and where do you buy a good headset? ebay?

A headset shop is a good starting point, failing that try Google Wink
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peirre oBollox wrote:
I can imagine the the Op and his buddy wanting radios for when they`re screaming down the high St on their peds, oggling the local totty, and instead of shouting to each other, ere ...... look at the tits on her, does she take it up the gary etc, they can say it over the radio without the girl in question hearing what they`re shouting. Very Happy :


We did an end of season run on the Wayfarer a few years back; gloriouse indian summer's sunday, and were grinding past pedestrians & cyclists, all annoyed at a bunch of Land-Rovers coming down the 'foot-path'....

Only half the group had CB so I had a PMR clipped to the seat-belt....

JUST as a female cyclist came level with my (OPEN) window, some-one squalked "Look at the air-bags on that one!"

Her boy-freind just behind fell into the hedge! But BOY did I get a 'Death-Glare!"

Bugger that said it NEVER owned up!
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PostPosted: 02:18 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive decided i will get the baofeng radios, friend at work is coming to france with me if i can swap my 7 days in july to 7 working days in august, but im stuck on where to get a decent push to talk headset and will they just plug into the baofeng radios or is there setting up to do as i have no clue when it comes to radios but i can learns gadgety stuff quickly
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PostPosted: 07:21 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I`d make sure you can get compatable PTT headsets for those radios BEFORE buying them
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats just the problem i dont know where or what i need no wonder so many people just gor for the kits with everything you need, finding links the right radios, with compatible headsets which are a good combo is not easy to find!
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