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Rospa gold is the highest qualification IIRC.
Do a bikesafe course first. 
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RoSPA you need to renew, keep taking the test every few years (I forget the time). Correct in that the RoSPA gold pass is the highest someone not a police rider can take (I hesitate to say civilian as the police are civilians too). IAM is a one off test. Not sure which would give a greater discount on the likes of insurance.
From when I looked into this it's harder to get RoSPA instruction. The story I was told was that people take the test and then go and start their own riding school. So they lose people to test people. Also the groups are few and far between.
The IAM is easier as can find more local groups as people stay with the group. Drawback of that is some groups can be a bit of a clique (from stories I've been told). The IAM do do taster sessions rather than committing to take the test from the start.
Any advanced training is better than none. As said probably easier to get onto a bikesafe course first as a taster.
Don't know where you're based but there is the likes of the Yorkshire Enhanced Rider Scheme that might be worth looking into. Their site says you get discount on insurance.
Other areas may run a similar scheme.
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Do you really want to get into something where some safety-nazi, know-it-all, up-himself twat patronizes you and then proceeds to try to teach you how to ride like an utter wad and kill yourself? 
Think hi-vis vest, beard, stale beer and train-spotting.
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| Hetzer wrote: | Do you really want to get into something where some safety-nazi, know-it-all, up-himself twat patronizes you and then proceeds to try to teach you how to ride like an utter wad and kill yourself?
Think hi-vis vest, beard, stale beer and train-spotting. |
Well as an advanced examiner for RoSPA, I agree I have a beard, I don't wear a hi viz unless it is cold in which case I wear my armoured hi viz jacket, I am tee total and I am not into train spotting, so that blows 50% of your myth out  But don't tar everyone with the same brush.
I have never tried to patronise anyone taking advanced instruction, and I have certainly never patronised anyone taking the test and i have yet to come across a fellow examiner who does, what we do try to do is give riders an alternative to the way things are done to pass the L test, and I go out to have fun as well.
Can you actually speak from experience? Or, are you so good you have nothing more to learn?
If you speak from experience, then clearly you went to the wronng instructor and then decided that everyone was the same.
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| T.C wrote: | | Hetzer wrote: | Do you really want to get into something where some safety-nazi, know-it-all, up-himself twat patronizes you and then proceeds to try to teach you how to ride like an utter wad and kill yourself?
Think hi-vis vest, beard, stale beer and train-spotting. |
Well as an advanced examiner for RoSPA, I agree I have a beard, I don't wear a hi viz unless it is cold in which case I wear my armoured hi viz jacket, I am tee total and I am not into train spotting, so that blows 50% of your myth out But don't tar everyone with the same brush.
I have never tried to patronise anyone taking advanced instruction, and I have certainly never patronised anyone taking the test and i have yet to come across a fellow examiner who does, what we do try to do is give riders an alternative to the way things are done to pass the L test, and I go out to have fun as well.
Can you actually speak from experience? Or, are you so good you have nothing more to learn?
If you speak from experience, then clearly you went to the wronng instructor and then decided that everyone was the same. |
The only clue I have is a vague memory from a thread here some time ago in which these courses were slagged for the pettiness on which people were failed. "You were six inches too close to the centerline on corner number three" kind of thing.
Not sure how good I am, only that I'm a bit of a hooner but still alive after 30+ years of riding and not even a broken bone to my name, unless one counts a chipped knuckle-socket. 
I wasn't being really that serious though, just thought it would be a giggle to indulge in some gratuitous stereotyping. 
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| T.C wrote: | the majority of these dinosaurs have long gone and now it is a new, younger generation of advanced instructor coming through with a completely different attitude. |
Mmm, I hear some of them are yet to start drawing their pensions.
Certainly the local IAM group that I taste-tested was geezer central.
That's not a criticism, it's an observation.
| T0MMY wrote: | I would just go with whichever one provided the tallest horse. |
Almost certainly RoSPA, with their gold stars and re-tests. Although when I ran some insurance quotes with the very few insurers who even recognised advanced training, IAM, RoSPA and a couple of hours of BikeSafe all gave exactly the same tiny discount. 
Like Soylent Green, it'll come down almost entirely to what they're made of, so try both local groups if you can.
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I did a taster day at the IAM because my ex-missus' old man is a member but it really wasn't for me. I appreciate the road positioning to have the best view of the road and use it all the time but some of it is just way OTT and boring!
The ride with the instuctor had to be one of the dullest rides I have been on and he picked up on me 'accidently' picking my speed up to 35 in a 30 I was tempted just to do him on the back wheel and feck off but I didn't and completed the taster out of respect for the ex's Dad because he's a good chap.
When we got back my instructor started going on about getting the speed transitions from NSLs to 30/40s nice and 'sharp', as in hitting bang on the speed limit as you enter the zone...really? 
I normally leave 30/40s into NSLs on the back wheel when it's 'safe' to do so
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| Hetzer wrote: | I think the whole gig is a wank-fest for people with OCD to be honest, and everything you've said above confirms that for me. |
Give it a try, you'll have a better basis for scoffing.
I'm a 21.375 on the Yale-Brown OCD scale[1], and on balance, I quite enjoyed my session, and got on fine with the 'observers'. If anything, I felt that they went into some bends too hot - like arse could they have "stopped on their own side of the road in the distance that they could see to be clear."
I didn't pursue it though because (here comes an OCD list):
 It's a lot of time to invest.
I don't believe that I'd have learned a lot that I didn't already know from Roadcraft, 20 years of driving and applying my own mighty intellect and judgement.
A shiny certificate is irrelevant, it's how you ride while off test that matters - as evidenced by Kris' anedcote.
[1] Approximately, my therapist says I shouldn't obsess over it.
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