Sold as seen? :(((

[GrumpyGuts]

Some of you may remember I bought a Suzuki EN 125 2A (Which happens to be Chinese ) after being moaned at about asking about a Zontes.

Well, I have been ripped off severely and lied to about almost everything. I wish I never saw that advert and I wish it was never posted here AT ALL. I would have been better off with the Zontes!

The problems I have:

1) Bodged headlight loom (no dipped beam because he fucked the connections)

2) Broken clock casings (Fixed, bought new clocks)

3) Cracked inlet manifold (Fixed)

4) Broken tool box as it was cut to fit an after market airfilter in it (fixed)

5) Speed issue (too slow)

6) Damaged throttle cable (due to be replaced)

7) Claimed the bike had a Suzuki alarm when purchased, complete BS as I have found out it's actually a Piaggio alarm with shitty connections)

8) Sheared bolt to hold fuel tank on

9) Loose indicator connections (weak wires)

10) Front brake harldy has any stopping power

11) Overly sensitive front brake indicator

Now, this is the major problem I have with it, to which I was completely lied to about.

The gear position indicator is broken. He did tell me this and it is only £20 to fix. I bought a new one, but what he did not tell me is that one of the screws that holds it in has broken off and stuck in the thread. Now this screw is attached to the crank case. I cannot put both screws in because of this. This results in engine oil spluttering out everywhere and I have to top it up every day.

It is not cheap to fix this, and I was promised so many spare parts that I never got. I also believe the MOT has been bodged because I am suprised it passed it.

Now, this bit will make you laugh. I am not experienced in this kind of thing, but I signed a reciept saying "sold as seen". As soon as I realised a week later I was so pissed off with myself, so please don't take the piss.

Where do I stand with this? What can I do? He has lied and lied and sold me a bike that is not what was as described (advert also said new battery, but it wasn't new)

I'm stuck with it now. I'm skint and it's leaking oil everywhere!

Please BCF, guide me!
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My Bikes: Lifan Beat 125cc '11 -> Suzuki B120P '76 -> Suzuki EN 125-2A '08 -> Honda CG 125 '04 -> Honda CB600F Hornet '98 -> Kawasaki ZZR 600 '99 -> Kawasaki GPZ 500S '95 (Current)
Theory test passed - 09/02/2012 >>>> Module 1 passed 24/07/2012 >>>> Module 2 passed 24/10/2012

[Ariel Badger]

What insurance do you have? If it is TPF&T F is your best option.
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[GrumpyGuts]

[dsb79]

if you bought from a dealer take it back and demand a refund if it was from joe public then you have no rights at all, thats the way it is, if its somebody of the forums then maybe they will help out but more than likely not.

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[GrumpyGuts]

I'm afriad not, it was Joe public. His cunt of a son also claims on his facebook (I have a mutual friend of his so I can see it) that he misses "Christene", i.e. the lump of tack I just bought.

I can't believe I signed that fucking reciept! I'm screwed, and most of you cyber raped me for suggesting a Zontes when that would have ended up cheaper
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My Bikes: Lifan Beat 125cc '11 -> Suzuki B120P '76 -> Suzuki EN 125-2A '08 -> Honda CG 125 '04 -> Honda CB600F Hornet '98 -> Kawasaki ZZR 600 '99 -> Kawasaki GPZ 500S '95 (Current)
Theory test passed - 09/02/2012 >>>> Module 1 passed 24/07/2012 >>>> Module 2 passed 24/10/2012

[GrumpyGuts]

[MarJay]

Don't think Suzuki is Chinese? Or do you mean Sukida?

None of that stuff is terminal, although it being too slow is not something you can take issue with. Its not a fault, they are just slow.

I think this sounds like a serious case of buyers remorse to me. None of that stuff is too hard to fix. The only things that would really worry me are the wiring issues and the exhaust.

The rest of the stuff is easily fixable, and overly sensitive brake indicator? Really?
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[Pete.]

Half of the stuff you list as 'problems' are very minor gripes. If you expect no problems and perfect service you're going to have to stump up for new, but since you're skint after buying a cheap beater you ought to stop moaning and start learning.
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132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good

[GrumpyGuts]

The bike is manufactured under licence by a Chinese company using Suzki parts. So Suzuki have nothing to do with this bike really.

I have been completely misled. There are other problems with it but it will be too long to explain.

The oil leak cannot be fixed unless I shell out hundreds to get a broken screw from out the crank case
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My Bikes: Lifan Beat 125cc '11 -> Suzuki B120P '76 -> Suzuki EN 125-2A '08 -> Honda CG 125 '04 -> Honda CB600F Hornet '98 -> Kawasaki ZZR 600 '99 -> Kawasaki GPZ 500S '95 (Current)
Theory test passed - 09/02/2012 >>>> Module 1 passed 24/07/2012 >>>> Module 2 passed 24/10/2012

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[Pete.]

Hardly going to cost hundreds removing a broken screw. Can you see the end of the borken bit? If so, I could pull that screw in a few minutes most likely.
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a.k.a 'Geri'

132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good

[GrumpyGuts]

I mean, no Suzuki dealership want anything to do with it because it's "not made by Suzuki, it's Chinese" and will not supply me with ANY parts. WTF?

I had a mechanic look at it and say that to extract the screw properly, he would have to take the whole fucking engine out. Now, that is a complete load, but I've been quoted silly money to get it out. I can't do it as I do not know how to do it and I do not have the tools to do so.

He has failed to tell me anything about the loom, the oil leak (also claimed that it was leaking because his son overfilled it, but in fact it was TOO LOW) and tonnes of other stuff.

I've been a retard with this purchase but I really need help with this one
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My Bikes: Lifan Beat 125cc '11 -> Suzuki B120P '76 -> Suzuki EN 125-2A '08 -> Honda CG 125 '04 -> Honda CB600F Hornet '98 -> Kawasaki ZZR 600 '99 -> Kawasaki GPZ 500S '95 (Current)
Theory test passed - 09/02/2012 >>>> Module 1 passed 24/07/2012 >>>> Module 2 passed 24/10/2012

[flumpy7]

Its a 125 mate, TBH those faults are all part of the fun of it.

Plus, while in theory you are meant to have some legal protection against a mis-sell, in reality you are very unlikely to be able to prove anything.

HTH
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[GrumpyGuts]

Would this do it?

https://www.screwfix.com/p/screw-extractor-set/18643

and just use my brother in law's drill?
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My Bikes: Lifan Beat 125cc '11 -> Suzuki B120P '76 -> Suzuki EN 125-2A '08 -> Honda CG 125 '04 -> Honda CB600F Hornet '98 -> Kawasaki ZZR 600 '99 -> Kawasaki GPZ 500S '95 (Current)
Theory test passed - 09/02/2012 >>>> Module 1 passed 24/07/2012 >>>> Module 2 passed 24/10/2012

[Thelostone]

Sellers can not lie (legally speaking), everything in the advert and everything they say to you about the vehicle must be true, however they are not obliged to tell you anything. So failing to mention that X is knackered is fine, telling you X is fine when it's not is wrong. However proving they said something can be a little tricky.

A commercial dealer has even more restrictions, one of which is the old "fit for purpose". However if he knows it's a heap he may sell it as "sold as seen", meaning you're buying it with it's faults. You should then only buy it if either it's just for spares or you have the knowledge to spot and deal with all faults.

In this case it seems you bought privately. If so the "sold as seen" bit is meaningless. All private sales are "sold as seen" with the proviso mentioned in my first paragraph.

Assuming you've already tried speaking to him and asking for your money back/help with costs and got no joy then you're probably left with only the solicitor/small claims court option (but only if you can prove he lied).

This all sounds to me like first vehicle syndrome. You've bought a crock of shit due to not having the knowledge (which comes with experience) to be able to tell it's a crock of shit, welcome to the club, the membership is huge. I joined with my first bike even though both my father and step father were car mechanics and I had grown up working on vehicles of all descriptions.

This also nicely illustrates one of the reasons to get your tests done as soon as. 125s are generally ridden and more importantly "maintained" by people with no knowledge or money and thus rapidly turn to shit.

On the subject of the mechanic that quoted silly money; he may have taken one look at your bike and thought "Oh, it's one of them. A bike so poorly maintained that anything I touch will break and I'll get the blame for it" , or, more worryingly he thought "he bought that, he mustn't know a great deal about bikes, I'll be able to really milk the poor sod".

On the plus side you now get to learn a few mechanic skills. Grab a picture of that broken screw, there are several ways of getting it out and somebody on here will be able to advise you on the best method in your case.

P.S. Just reading all this back it may sound like I'm being a little harsh, I'm not trying to be, in fact you have my full sympathy having been there myself.

[AyrtonSenna]

lol you bought a lemon, you would have had better luck with an mail ordered bride xD.

https://i45.tinypic.com/w9wftu.jpg

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[GrumpyGuts]

Thanks for the advice.

I cannot give you a picture as the screw can only be seen after removing the gear position sensor, which involves draining the oil and removing the magneto cover. The magneto cover has been sealed with strong stuff as the mechanic thought it was leaking from there. That's the other problem, how the fuck am I going to get that off?

If it helps, the screw is 6x20mm. This thing
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My Bikes: Lifan Beat 125cc '11 -> Suzuki B120P '76 -> Suzuki EN 125-2A '08 -> Honda CG 125 '04 -> Honda CB600F Hornet '98 -> Kawasaki ZZR 600 '99 -> Kawasaki GPZ 500S '95 (Current)
Theory test passed - 09/02/2012 >>>> Module 1 passed 24/07/2012 >>>> Module 2 passed 24/10/2012

[Ichy]

[DRZZack]

While you may think you've bought a croc of shit, a day's work with a manual, many cups of coffee and a little effort will easily sort out the bike.

I just bought a bike and the indicators were a little dodgy, so bought new ones for fuck all money and stuck them on - 1 hour

The exhaust needed repacking and some of the bolts sheared - another hour

I wouldn't say I was missold the bike, I'd say it's a second hand bike. Yeah some people push it further than others but you'll learn to spot the dickheads.

For stuff like 'an oversensitive' brake light, have you tried simply adjusting or meddling with it?

You don't need much technical knowledge to do half of that shit, I know because I had no previous experience with bikes/cars/engines and just used google and trial and error to fix stuff up.

The alternative is to piss money away at a garage.

And as a previous poster said, 125's are supposed to be held together by string it's part of the fun

Or try and get your money back if you think it'll work.

[Baisemontchou]

Suzuki EN 125 2A "Manufactured under license in China, built to full Suzuki specification using all Japanese manufactured Suzuki parts", apparently.

My Suzuki GZ125 was manufactured in Spain according to a sticker under the seat, which would explain why the chrome parts cannot withstand exposure to rain and tarnish in embarrasment whenever a small fluffy cloud comes over the horizon.

It does sound like you aren't having a fun time with your bike, but none of the faults or damage are terminal, more irritating really. You can fix it all, you'll pick up some usefull skills and you'll feel better for it
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Current Bikz: '06 Honda Shadow 750 Custom, '02 Sachs Roadster 650, '10 Yamaha R125, '12 Derbi GPR 50, '04 Yamaha TZR 50.

[pendulum]

To be fair when you buy second hand you should expect to have to do some work, sometimes you'll get lucky and nothing needs done, other times you'll be really unlucky and buy a dog, over your lifetime things should even out.

That list isn't THAT bad, it could be a lot worse.
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[_Iain_]

In all fairness, he sold a bike & you diddnt look it over propperly.

100% your fault.

Hence why you view a bike and give it a GOOD going over if you know your onions, or if you dont take someone who does. You also do your homework regarding the spares availibility etc before purchase.

Everyone at some stage bought a shit car/vehicle. Mine happened to be a fiesta courier van i'd trusted my boss to buy on my behalf and finance to me...£800, its a bit scruffy but totally sound. Within two months had cost me £300 on a cambelt, £200 on a replacement rear axel, required a total refurb of the rear brakes, had the filler fall out of the feckin sills/arches, wishbone failiure on the front, etc etc etc. Whilst using a completely unreasonable amount of diesel & costing the earth to insure. Getting it written off was the best thing that happened to it.

MTFU, move on. Fix it, or sell it.

1) Bodged headlight loom (no dipped beam because he fucked the connections) - Trace the wires back, and reconnect them. Obviously a wires not connected, look for the one thats not connected to shit. Common sense, five miniute fix
2) Broken clock casings (Fixed, bought new clocks) Fixed, not a problem.
3) Cracked inlet manifold (Fixed) Fixed, again not a problem. Even if it was broke it's what a ten minuite fix and a tenner for the part?
4) Broken tool box as it was cut to fit an after market airfilter in it (fixed) Ever tried using one of the onboard tool kits for anything at the side of the road? Cack. not much good at all. Use spanners in toolbox. Not a problem.
5) Speed issue (too slow) Its a four stroke 125? what'dya expect?
6) Damaged throttle cable (due to be replaced) Throttle cables fucked/badly adjusted and this hasnt got anything whatsoever to do with it being slow? Common sense, again, and about a tenner for the part.
7) Claimed the bike had a Suzuki alarm when purchased, complete BS as I have found out it's actually a Piaggio alarm with shitty connections) Boo hoo, the sticker says piaggio. It was probbably made in china, along with the suzuki, honda, yamaha etc etc etc alarms. Doesnt matter. If you know the connections are shit, clean them and fix it. Insulating tape, solder, terminal blocks, crimp connectors, whatever, its all good. Get on with it and stop bitching!!
8) Sheared bolt to hold fuel tank on Take the stub of bolt out, put another bolt in. £4 for a pack of 100 bolts from screw fix. Not the end of the world.
9) Loose indicator connections (weak wires) Seriously? replace the indicators at a tenner for a set of four, or just replace the wire/connector. Another 10 minuite job.
10) Front brake harldy has any stopping power Pads good? no, change em. Is it leaking fluid? Yeah? replace whats leaking and bleed it. Drum brake? Tighten up the adjuster nut. Might just need bleeding/fresh fluid? Basic maintinance again.
11) Overly sensitive front brake indicator Adjust the switch.

And as for your major end of the world problem, did it not occur to you to squirt a bit of instant gasket in the hole where the oils pissing out to plug it up till you get round to extracting the broken thread?



You're making an hours graft sound like a write off. Man up, fix the fucking thing and stop whining. ALL of those thing should have been checked before purchase. You diddnt get the spare parts? well why the fuck diddnt you kick off when he diddnt give them to you? you just gave him the money for shit you diddnt get and drove off smiling? MUG. absolute MUG.

And, yes i am in a shite mood, and no, i dont particularily give a fuck if people think im being out of order. Its the truth and the guy needs to hear it.
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[FantasticMrFo...]

Not read the entire thread so this could have (and probably has been) mentioned previously, but I'll say it anyway.

what sounds to me like the hardest part in all that is the broken screw. I personally would drill the old one out to the width of the thread, then re-tap it and put a slightly bigger screw in it mate.

(for example, if it is a m6 screw. drill it out at 6mm, make sure you're perfectly square though or you'll have slight issues, this will remove the old screw and the thread it screwed into. Then get an m7 tap to cut a new thread and put an m7 screw in it.)

Sounds harder than it is believe me. the rest can be bodged quite successfully without too much issue mate.
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