Just a stupid thought I had.

[pendulum]

Some insects and animals create venom/poison for the purpose of killing prey or a predator.

But they're insects / animals. It's not like they have access to a laboratory where they can research what will and won't kill something and then work to develop it. How could they have possibly evolved to even understand what chemicals will kill another insect/animal, much less actually be able to create that for themselves?

I put that forward as proof we were all created and designed by a higher being.
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Trial and error (evolution)

Mark
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[Skudd]

Taste yuk. You lived and had kids. They then tasted even worse and it went on. As for the killing. Bad breath knock victim out and it went on.
There was an animal that Darwin went to bring back here. The only description we have of it was that it tasted nice. It is now extinct.
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[T0MMY]

I'm going to assume this is all a joke but if it is not, then I would be happy to explain how evolution works

A lack of understanding is the key to the creationists' continuing support...anyone that actually understands how evolution happens should have no problem accepting it. If however you go down the red neck american route of asking why "monkeys" aren't giving birth to humans now then I can see how intelligent design makes more sense
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[Hetzer]

It's odd how the debate polarises into two camps: pure evolution or pure creation. How about the middle ground, the creation of a mechanism that proceeds with evolution? Aka the universe.
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[T0MMY]

I'm not saying evolution precludes the existence of god or any other creation mechanism. I'm not even saying that it's necessarily correct.

The point is though that as a way of explaining the massive variation and impressive adaptation and specialisation in species it works absolutely perfectly. Can't prove that that is how it happened now obviously but it faultlessly shows how it could have happened and therefore seems highly likely to be how it did happen.

Plenty of room to believe in the initial intelligent creation of life and the universe though before that if you so choose (which I think is the less fundamental christian's view now anyway isn't it?), it's just that variation in species seems likely to be by evolution and has no need for design.
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[Hetzer]

PC programmers did it with a game, where algorythms created viable and random entities. If I recall correctly it was possible to guide variations by selectively breeding and/or manipulating 'DNA'.

It's pretty clear DNA is a code, and is so described by scientists. The argument becomes only: accidental or deliberate?

Nobody would think a car the accidental product of a fully automated car factory, and I do not consider DNA an accidental product of the universe. It seems almost entirely self-evident that the universe is a mechanism. Such complex structures (the universe and DNA) cannot be the products of accident, and our own experiences with mechanisms/forms we have created tend to give weight to that analysis. A rock on the beach is an accident; the same rock carved into a statue is not.
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[Mushroom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbHAg

[pinkyfloyd]

Long time ago before people were people and way before dinkysaurs were stomping around there were little fishies in the water. Oddly enough these little fishies came into being because all this bacteria and single celled creatures clumped together over the course of thousands of years and turned into fishies.

One day the little fishies were exploring and they stumbled across land. One said to the other "I wonder what that thing is?" and pointed above the surface with his little fin and off he went to explore. Being a little fishy he swam to the surface and launched himself with his little tail onto the rocks.

Sadly he died but his friend latched onto the idea, went and told his friends and family in the little fishy town and spoke to the mayor. Not everyone believed him when he told them about this place above the water. Those that did went to explore but they never came back. They settled down by the waterline and kept throwing themselves at the rocks. Thousands of fishies died but one day, thousands of years later, a fishy landed on the rocks and didnt die.

Within a few thousand years many little fishies were living on the rocks when one decided to venture further. Sadly he died. Apparently he fell off a rock into the water and drowned in a bizzare twist of fate. Over thousands of years these stranded rock dwelling fishies grew limbs to deal with the now fatal water and made it onto the greenery.

Some bloke was sitting under a tree throughout those thousands of years and wrote it all down. Darwin his name was, known to his friends as Charlie the Heathen.

There we have it boys and girls of BCF. The evolution theory in a nutshell. No god was involved.

As for the beasties that bite and kill mo'fos it is the same process as the fishy story.

Humans are top of the food chain simply because we have evolved in such a way to utilize our environment. In the grand scheme of things we are a pathetically weak species but we have evolved in ways that allow us to adapt and use resources at hand. We only have to hear about the people killed by sharks, animals etc to realize just how weak we are. I do believe we will keep evolving when we need to. At the moment we do not need to. We've hit a balancing point between our environment and our species. Much the same as a shark has not changed for millions of years. It doesnt have to. Same with crocs etc. Some animals have found the natural balance and their evolution stops.


TL DR. What Marjay said
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[T0MMY]

This actually is one of the problems scientists have in these sort of faith vs logic arguments.

The language of science is open to possilibities...things are described in terms of most likely probabilities. You don't state evolution as a fact as you can't ever prove it really, but it's overwhelmingly likely to be correct. On the other hand, design is presented as definite and inarguable by those of faith.

In reality, in scientific language, evolution would be a theory, intelligent design would be at best a hypothesis. And a very weak one at that as there is literally no evidence for it.
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