Ducati 1198s beats Ferrari 458

Cheeseybeaner · World Chat Champion Joined: 15 Jul 2010 Karma :

As the general concensus seems to be car trumps bike on a track here's an interesting conclusion to a dual between these two:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDtrAE964_g&feature=g-vrec

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colicabcadam · Trackday Trickster Joined: 26 Jun 2012 Karma :

the ducati will only trump the car on the right track.....

there's no correct answer to what is quicker, it totally depends on the track
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

Yes, there was a good article done by an American magazine on car versus bike.
The car travelled a noticable bit further per lap because it had to turn more relative to the bike which could take straighter lines (which then has the advantage of relatively getting on the power earlier, etc).

promufa · Scooby Slapper Joined: 26 Apr 2011 Karma :

Impressive performance from the 1198. Did not expect that.
Truth be told though, you need balls of steel to do that 1:19 on the ducati. Stick Mr. Joe Average on both the ferrari and ducati and I bet the ferrari wins. On-board computer does half the job for you in those cars. Not as much fun though and way above my price range Wink

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rac3r · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Karma :

Old video, fun to watch though
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AyrtonSenna · Nova Slayer Joined: 03 Apr 2012 Karma :

Tbh this is not a fair test. The rider of the bike has probably ridden the bike numerous amount of times on the other hand the driver of the car probably has not driven the car previously so he wouldn't know how to get the best out of the car.

c-m · World Chat Champion Joined: 12 May 2006 Karma :

Still he is a GT2 champion so not a slouch.

I'm sure Rossi would destroy me on my commute to work even though I've done it every day for 2 years. Smile

Overall its a nice video that doesn't mean anything other than they tested two great vehicles.
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

Contact patch often isn't as much as an issue as you might think.

Cars generally only really use two wheels in corners, for a start I believe.

Cornering alone, cars are often similar to bikes if we're talking mid-corner constant rate.

But can have an advantage braking in to corners.

Lightweight cars with good downforce are another matter and are a massively 'better' when compared to road based and bikes too generally.

Another thing with the TT course is that I believe sports bikes tend to still have a fair bit longer travel than sports cars.
My GSXR certainly was more compliant over bumpy stuff than the kit car.