Restriction Kits "fell out" - is it worth it?

[BravoCharlie]

Hello again! hope we are all well


bit of a stupid one:

i'm looking into buying a bike for the start of august (hoping to have passed my theory, Mod1 & Mod 2 by then), it would be my A2 license as i'm only 19.

through reading some posts on the forum, i understand some bikes cant cope well under restriction, and there is always that subtle hint afterwards of "but they always fall out somehow "

is that not pretty dangerous if stopped by the PD?

overall, am i best just looking for one that copes well both restricted and de-restricted? or just focus on bikes whose restrictions always seem to "Come loose"?

thanks
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Well, I wouldn't risk it but then I'm a bit of a wuss.
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[Quornholio]

Not worth it. Unless you have bucketloads of money. I'd hate to see your insurance premiums if you're a young lad, especially if you intend to get car insurance, it's a crippler without having to declare 6 points for riding outside your licence provisions.

[BravoCharlie]

good stuff, what bike do you have can i ask?

just as i'm looking for suggestions
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[Teflon-Mike]

OK, end of the day you know the rules, up to you to decide whether breaking them is worth the while.

Very hard for them to tell if a bike is restricted or not, BUT if you choose to ride a bike that, as standard, to Manufacturers declared specs makes more power than licence entitlement; you are in effect guilty until proven inncocent, if ever challenged...

Ignorance is no defence, or something 'breaking' or falling off, an extra offense!

Sorry officer I didn't SEE my tyres were bald dont wash... nor does 'Oh, well these washers were under-neath the carburettor when I got the bike officer... the engine must have 'eaten' them'.....

How likely are you to be challenged?

Well, but something obviousely built for speed, like...oh an R6... (why that should pring to mind I dont know) and YEAH, you get stopped they are going to be pretty suspciouse....

But something 'slow' like a 535 Virago? They are probably not going to be so suspiciouse... welll of you having an unrestricted engine, at least!

Buy something 'Sensible' like a GS500, more likely they'd give BoD as its a 'Sensible' bike....

But you never know.

So theres the reisk, what of teh consequences?

WELL, here and now we have 6 months left till 3rd Directive laws, to get a licence worth having on a 125. After that, you will need to be 24 and get a licence via DAS really, becouse the stepped system is so convoluted and likely to be expensive.... and detur you from anything but L-Plating on a 125.

So, IF you have GOT your licence under current rules... you REALLY dont want to risk loosing it.

19 years old, good bet this is your first licence, and even if you already have your full car licence, you are still under 2 year New Driver act.

6-points and ou are back to a provisional, and have to do ALL tests for ALL groups you hold, 'over'.

So, if you get stopped and pulled, and they can give you 6-points which is easy enough if they can tally two offences together.....

You are back to start, do-not pass go, do not collect £200.....

AND facing doing it all over under 3rd Directive.... and in all likelihoods having anything but a 125 for another five years, AND having that 'bad driver record' against you.

SO: risks vs reward vs Penalties....

RIGHT NOW.... I'd say MAKE BLUDY SURE that the bike is restricted...

a) so they cant nail you for it
b) you aren't temped to do something that will get thier attension to nail you for exhuberance OR lack of restriction.

2 years time..... yeah, different story, NDA will no longer apply, and niether will restriction...

But till THEN apply self restraint in spades!
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[DRZZack]

I restricted my DRZ400, even though it was for the sake of 2hp (had it dyno'd at 26hp, so a lot less than stock, but maybe something to do with the power - weight limit?)

33bhp is seriously enough for somebody our age (I'm 18), and from a 125, especially with the torquey DRZ, you can still make yourself shit ya pants!

You might wonder why I bothered restricting for the sake of so little power, and that's because your insurance company will FUCK YOU IN THE ASS as hard as they can should you have to make a 3rd party claim.

Worst case scenario - you kill somebody, that's a claim that runs into the millions. The insurance company will ship every loss adjuster they can get their hands on to wriggle their way out of it, so you need everything to be straight.

That and also you don't have much experience riding, (even though at times I feel like a biking god, because I'm an 18 year old lad on something that can out accelerate most of the cars on the road), so it'd be a shame to kil yourself on a bike that becomes uncontrollable because you don't have the experience.


In terms of what bike, it depends what you want. I think the DRZ400 supermoto is brilliant, but then again I'm biased

[-Monty-]

I'm also in the process of getting my restricted licence. Personally I wouldn't risk it because as you said yourself, you would constantly be worrying about getting caught and probably crap your self every time you see a police car. In my opinion, this constant worry would probably completely ruin the fun of getting your first big bike.

Also, I'm going to imagine that 33bhp will feel like a huge increase from the 11 or so you get on a 125 anyway.
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[Recluso]

Look at it this way. My XJ6 is restricted and this evening on the motorway I had to check myself when I realised I was 'cruising' at an indicated 88-ish. I hadn't even noticed, only that I seemed to be passing people fairly swiftly.

Despite what some would have you think, 33bHP is MORE than enough power to easily cope with the motorway without having to scrape by in the inside lane.

End of the day, it's up to you whether your restrictors 'fall out' or not. But ask yourself whether it's really worth the risk. Sure, you might NEVER get pulled over. But what if you do?
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[BravoCharlie]

thanks guys, i highly doubt i'll be de-restricting it, it was my initial instinct and as said, the fear would put me off my first bike!

it just seemed to be appearing in some posts and confused me a little as to why it was highly suggested, now, however, restricting seems more than highly suggested

and thanks for the lecture Teflon, i now feel like i am officially part of BCF!

i really ain't a stupid biker, i wouldn't say professional either but im sensible about how i go, and i would see my first bike as something to match. the 'busa is a babe but its not for me, gimme tourers and commuters first! i do like sports bikes but i dont see myself as an a*se?

thanks again
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Do it if you want.

You are gonna get raped if you get caught...just try not to get caught. I never got picked up and I crashed on my 33hp period and was on a GS500 with no restriction.

[bikertomm]

Not worth it, the one thing holding me back is being told your not insured if they find out.

So if someone pulls out without looking, Me, my bike and I could be fucked.

I think a 400 / 33bhp is a nice step up from a 125, after a year I can see myself getting itchy though!

But I don't want that initial feeling of getting a bigger bike to go, otherwise I'll be on a bigger bike before you know! Not that theres anything wrong with that.. Just want to progress steadily
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meh loads of boring faggots here


do what you want,just don't act like a dick else you'll get caught

most people i know that have crashed havnt had the restriction thing brought against them
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[BravoCharlie]

to be fair, as long as it can pull me along a motorway and decent speeds with pillions, i'm more than happy to restrict the bike,

as boring as that sounds rob
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[MattJ]

I've got an FZR600R and it's restricted to 33bhp. Unrestricted it is supposed to make 100bhp so a massive difference. It is a pain having the strangle the bike so it can't make enough power but I really don't want to risk getting caught. I'm 19 and had both a car and bike license by 18 and I really don't want to risk losing them just to have some more power. Sure it'd be great to take them out but I personally don't think it is worth the risk.

It's still fairly quick but I don't usually rev it past 8k rpm where it'll redline at 13k just because it feels like the bike is shaking itself to bits. I would image a GS500 or something similar which doesn't make as much power unrestricted won't feel as bad at higher revs. However I got the bike because I loved the look of it and when my restriction period is up I won't be wanting to buy a more powerful bike.

I had a CG125 for a year, I passed my test 6 months after doing my CBT and buying it so even on a full license I was riding a 125 for 6 months before I got myself insured on the FZR. The CG was a pain on NSL roads especially as that's all I'm on on the way to work and it really struggled to get over 60 on the flat when the limit is 70 and on some of the steep hills it would take an age to get to 45 so understandably I was fed up with it.

Now the FZR is miles different. Although I don't use the full rev range I can get to 70/80 easily, and I (quite regularly ) get it over 100 and that's only on 1 mile stretches of road. With a pillion I got it to 95 and it wouldn't go any faster but I would say that is plenty fast enough really.

I'm going to stay restricted for the full period because I don't think it is worth it. Even if I got caught after my my 2 year new drivers thing is up, I wouldn't want 6 points on my license. It's was hard enough getting insured at 18 with 1 year NCB and a clean license so I wouldn't like to try it with 6 points.

It's up to you really, it just depends on how much you think the risk is worth it, especially with the new licensing laws coming in next year. I know if I lost my license and had to go through all that bullshit again but even more times I wouldn't be happy.

[anthony_r6]

When I crashed the officers asked about my restriction. Told him it was in the carbs and he accepted that as he had no way of checking. I think it helped my accident didn't involve any excessive speed or bad riding. Just me and a friend and a mechanical failure.

Had I hit someone else, they would've almost certainly had that bike taken away and checked. Also, I've noticed a few groups of police on the side of the road pulling up bikes and cars and checking them over.

Not worth the risk. Assuming you just pass your test, you'd lose your license for the 6points you'd get.
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Its negligible.
You'll be safer in the eyes of law fully restricted, but, one of your trump cards - being able to accelerate away from danger - becomes that much further out of reach.

The way my 500 pulls has saved my ass more times than I want to recount...

I'm pretty sure the cops can't confiscate your bike or pull the bastard apart without solid grounds; they can't even remove stickers from the exhaust to check for a "not for road use" stamp; so pulling your carbs apart isn't really an option.

Generally, IL4 restrict better than twins.
Restricting twins causes HUGE bogs in power in my experience and just fecks up the whole running of the bike - fuel economy, rev range ect. Its a fuel-delivery problem; you're trying to restrict two massive pots by huge amounts instead of four smaller pots by smaller amounts;
restricting a 500 twin is like putting washers in a litre bike...

[chris-red]

Coping with restriction is bollocks, if you're coming up from a 125 any restricted 33bhp bike will feel like a rocket ship.
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