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ClydeGhost
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 28 Jun 2012    Post subject: Practicals D: Reply with quote

So, module 1 and module 2.... should I do the training days? With the training days and using their bike it's around £330 each for mod 1 and 2. Seeing as it's around £15-20 for mod 1 and £70-£80 for mod 2 without training, is it worth it?
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 28 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Practicals D: Reply with quote

ClydeGhost wrote:
So, module 1 and module 2.... should I do the training days? With the training days and using their bike it's around £330 each for mod 1 and 2. Seeing as it's around £15-20 for mod 1 and £70-£80 for mod 2 without training, is it worth it?


Training will help you become a better rider, if you feel you can do both modules without training then don't bother doing training.

I did training and it was a massive confidence boost for me, as I was quite nervous.


Also I expect a typical long and informative Teflon Mike post. Laughing Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 28 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly worth it for MOD2, depends on your riding.

Blowing 330+ on training for MOD1 is insane if you ask me, a few decent hours practice in an empty car park is fine! You need to know what to do though so perhaps a lesson would be good on things you need to pick up on remember / e.g shoulder checks even when moving the bike.

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PostPosted: 21:48 - 28 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Formal Training REALLY worth the money?

£330 a day seems a bit steep. Shop around for a better deal / school.

Especially if you have your own bike.
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ClydeGhost
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 28 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Is Formal Training REALLY worth the money?

£330 a day seems a bit steep. Shop around for a better deal / school.

Especially if you have your own bike.


Cheers! Site is pretty informative. I did initially want to do the training but then since my bike's had a bit of bad news, I wanted to cut some corners and do my full license ASAP. But, I'll check around for something cheaper Smile
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 28 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClydeGhost wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:
Is Formal Training REALLY worth the money?

£330 a day seems a bit steep. Shop around for a better deal / school.

Especially if you have your own bike.


Cheers! Site is pretty informative. I did initially want to do the training but then since my bike's had a bit of bad news, I wanted to cut some corners and do my full license ASAP. But, I'll check around for something cheaper Smile


Check around for volunteer Training Schemes; they can do some bludy good VFM 'courses' for 125 riders on thier own bike.

Snowies, with Hinkley Rider Training Scheme.... long way away from you unforunately, who are BMF Volunteers, (like wot I was once upon a life-time ago!) £125 for seven weeks of lessons!

ALL you are paying for really is a comtribution towards instructor expenses and the school overheads, hence they charge less for a course than many do for a lesson!

SEE if you can find similar.

If not; 'Going Rate' is around £30 an hour, WHICH, if you think about it pro-rata is NOT an awful lot to be paying a 'Proffesional' compared to what a plumber or an Odd-Job man would charge to fix a leaking tap or clean a gutter! Is it?

I presume you have the Theory out the way; no point booking mods unless you have that in your pocket.

But, presuming you have it; then Mod 1? Well, its £15.50, and its probably as well to book one and give it a go, as book a lesson.

Lots of schools dont have playground area big enough to set up a 'full' Mod 1 Course.... CBT doesn't demand such a large area so many dont have it.....

So you often wont get a 'full' practice ahead of Mod 1 anyway... and for what it costs, may as well just give it a shot, and use the 'fail' as a lesson!

Do three its still cheaper than just a one hour 'lesson' for it!

For Mod 2, some training is worth-while, and if you cant find a 'cheao' volunteer course like Snowie's, then I would 'plan' on at least TWO two hour lessons, & about £120 for them.

First one, you would need as an assessment to find your faults and habbits, second one to 'Dress' your riding for test.... but depending on how confident/capable you are on first lesson, you might need a couple more sessions..... but still, even if you needed four lessons between assessement & test-prep, at £60 a pop, ought not be more than £360, and that would be for twelve hours training time, NOT 'one day' which would probably be a bit of a 'cram' and at best only 7-8 hours.
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PostPosted: 07:19 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've all got our own views on this. Mine is that if you're good enough to ride around soLo, you're good enough to pass the tests.

Mod 1 is £15.50, that's really all you've got to lose. Treat it as practice for itself, and expect to fail it: women have a pass rate around 47%. I have no idea why, try not to get distracted thinking about kittens or knitting or marrying your examiner.

Mod 2, well... here it comes... you can learn on the test, but you can't pass during a lesson. I'd be astonished if you could spend more money or time on retests than you'd be guaranteed to spend on lessons, and you could still fail the test multiple times.

It's really up to you though, everyone learns differently.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing to consider if you do the "I'll just do the tests and hope for the best" (exaggerated) is the resit times. You could end up failing a MOD1 then have to wait another 6 weeks and possibly the same for MOD2? It's not only the money, it's the time inbetween.

Just something else to think about, I'm not saying do this/do that.

I did DAS and thought the instruction I got was great.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

snoosnoo wrote:
One thing to consider if you do the "I'll just do the tests and hope for the best" (exaggerated) is the resit times. You could end up failing a MOD1 then have to wait another 6 weeks and possibly the same for MOD2? It's not only the money, it's the time inbetween.
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It depends where you live. I'm in Hastings and was able to book a Mod 1 for the coming weekend. Mod 2 was in Eastbourne and I was able to book a re-take about a week and a half later. Same examiner too, so I knew all his pet peeves the second time. He recognised me the second time as well, so I think he knew that he'd be seeing me again and again if he didn't give me a pass!

Do it yourself, it feels great when you get your license and you'll have money in your pocket for more bike stuff.
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

All depends on how busy are the test centres.

Zombeh, how long did you have to wait for Mod1? I checked the website and DSa showing to sites, Ore and Burgers Hill, but Ore one does not give waiting time information and my training school booked me for burgers hill anyway - but I had to wait 5 weeks.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to Ore. I can't remember the wait but it was very short. Ore seems to mostly book on weekends as well!. The actual centre is kind of strange. Its mostly a MOT centre for lorries I think - you have to ride round the building before you go into your 20mph bend, quite fun really.

What training school are you with?
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers ma dears! Yeah, I'm still torn about this situation! I'm lacking money and time and the more I wait to save up money, the less time I'll have for the tests! Ah, and I've just come back from A&E because apparently knives weren't suppose to go in your thumb when cutting LIMES. Who'da thunk!, but yay painkillers Mo' money mo' money out the window. I might just try MOD1 and do it as a 'lesson' for how much it's costing. But I'm not sure! Thanks though, guys. Really helpful!! Thumbs Up


Rogerborg wrote:

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women have a pass rate around 47%. I have no idea why, try not to get distracted thinking about kittens or knitting or marrying your examiner.

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WHAT? Then what am I suppose to think about?!
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I would be short on cash and would not mind restriction I would train my self and see how it goes on mod1

Zombeh I'm doing mine with Flying colours in Eastbourne
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been knocking around on mybike for 2 years now & not taking any lessons for my tests. Mod 1 nect friday, only thing I was concerned about was the U turn & got a little help from a friend & i was well on my way. Mod 2 im not worried about, ill just ride like an angel for about a week before hand Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the same boat as you - wanting to do training but:
a. Can't afford it.
b. Worth a shot just to see how it goes.

I agree with Roger in that if you can ride on roads alone it shouldn't be a problem. Module 1 is all relatively low speed and skills based, so you'd probably benefit just the same by spending a few hours practising in a car park. I can see where training would be beneficial for Mod 2 though; to iron out any bad habits... But then again, self-assessment can't be that hard, and if you aren't under a lorry yet, you must be doing something right! Thumbs Up

Good luck whatever route you choose, I've got my Mod 1 on the 12th Shocked !
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PostPosted: 08:08 - 30 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im with Mike and co for this, book a mod 1 and do it on your own bike. If you pass - hurrah! If you fail you will have the score sheet that tells you what you need to brush up on and you can either try again or find a school/training scheme to help you out.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 30 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

After three months of riding the bike as a learner I booked and passed both tests without any formal training.

But I've been driving a car for almost three years so the rules of the road and the highway code have become like second nature, and so for those three months all I had to focus on was my bike control. Plus, I am always very confident coming into things like this! Confidence is key!

Go for formal training if it will make you feel better.. But for mod 1, car park time is plenty. And for mod 2, the only practice is real riding.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 30 Jun 2012    Post subject: training Reply with quote

I,ve taken my CBT, Theory and MOD 1 so far without any formal training, just on my own. However I do not want to mess up the MOD 2, (I'm a cheap skate and it is £75 a pop) so have booked 3 hours of lessons/tuition.

At the end of the three hours I should know what to brush up on.

Don't know if it will work but I will give it a go!

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PostPosted: 11:39 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClydeGhost wrote:
Cheers ma dears! Yeah, I'm still torn about this situation! I'm lacking money and time and the more I wait to save up money, the less time I'll have for the tests! Ah, and I've just come back from A&E because apparently knives weren't suppose to go in your thumb when cutting LIMES. Who'da thunk!, but yay painkillers Mo' money mo' money out the window. I might just try MOD1 and do it as a 'lesson' for how much it's costing. But I'm not sure! Thanks though, guys. Really helpful!! Thumbs Up


Rogerborg wrote:

Stuffaboutstuff

women have a pass rate around 47%. I have no idea why, try not to get distracted thinking about kittens or knitting or marrying your examiner.

Stuffaboutstuff


WHAT? Then what am I suppose to think about?!


Don't forget you need to do your theory first if you haven't already Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:


Don't forget you need to do your theory first if you haven't already Thumbs Up


I've got mine the same day as yours actually Very Happy Booked it a few days ago. I'm not too worried about theory tests, books and words are easy. Practical stuff's the hard part ergo the part I'm most concerned about :/
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd deffo do the training as there's a fair bit the examiner will want to see and you will know 100% what you are doing.

I paid £450 for three days training plus tests and using a naff bike. A lot of money but worth it IMO!!!

Gave me lots of confidence on the day, and I passed mod1 with 1 minor and 0 minors on mod2. Same day I came home with pass certs.

I wouldn't wanna go in blind and fail. How depressing would that be.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterious_rider wrote:
I'd deffo do the training as there's a fair bit the examiner will want to see and you will know 100% what you are doing.

I paid £450 for three days training plus tests and using a naff bike. A lot of money but worth it IMO!!!

Gave me lots of confidence on the day, and I passed mod1 with 1 minor and 0 minors on mod2. Same day I came home with pass certs.

I wouldn't wanna go in blind and fail. How depressing would that be.


The thing is, I did my CBT twice so on my second day the instructors had me (who've already done the CBT) and someone who was going to do her DAS so during our CBT, we did what would be expected in a MOD 1, concentrating on figure of 8's, 30mph then emergency stop, talking with instructor keeping a walking pace, slalom. Then we went on bigger, busier roads than the one they took me in my first CBT (mainly smaller, country roads). Then we stopped halfway to do some U-turns to get used to the kerbs. So, I dunno, I might just wing it and use what I've learnt and such.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClydeGhost wrote:
mysterious_rider wrote:
I'd deffo do the training as there's a fair bit the examiner will want to see and you will know 100% what you are doing.

I paid £450 for three days training plus tests and using a naff bike. A lot of money but worth it IMO!!!

Gave me lots of confidence on the day, and I passed mod1 with 1 minor and 0 minors on mod2. Same day I came home with pass certs.

I wouldn't wanna go in blind and fail. How depressing would that be.


The thing is, I did my CBT twice so on my second day the instructors had me (who've already done the CBT) and someone who was going to do her DAS so during our CBT, we did what would be expected in a MOD 1, concentrating on figure of 8's, 30mph then emergency stop, talking with instructor keeping a walking pace, slalom. Then we went on bigger, busier roads than the one they took me in my first CBT (mainly smaller, country roads). Then we stopped halfway to do some U-turns to get used to the kerbs. So, I dunno, I might just wing it and use what I've learnt and such.



Up to you. I've been riding for a few years and I really learnt a lot from the instructors. Yeah sure you could wing it, up to you isnt it. Like I said they teach you a lot of things the examiners want to see and they kick you out of your bad habits.

First mod is only £15 so book yourself and find out.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterious_rider wrote:


Up to you. I've been riding for a few years and I really learnt a lot from the instructors. Yeah sure you could wing it, up to you isnt it. Like I said they teach you a lot of things the examiners want to see and they kick you out of your bad habits.

First mod is only £15 so book yourself and find out.


Yeah, I might just go ahead and book my Mod 1 with no training, learn from it and hopefully pass my next one if I fail first time 'round. I will definitely book a training day for my Mod 2 though because I know I have habits that might fail me.
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PostPosted: 02:06 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could easily do mod 1 on your own on a 125. Just download the pdf of the course layout and dimensions between cones, and go to an empty car park or industrial estate when it's dead. Set up some old coke cans or similar as marker "cones" for the particular exercise you're practicing, at approximately the distances you need, and then practice away as many times as you want until it's boring.

The only thing you have to remember is to treat the mod 1 test area like the road from start to finish, so BEFORE YOU START EACH MANOUEVRE MAKE SURE YOU DO YOUR SHOULDER CHECKS BEFORE SETTING OFF. While your practicing on your own, do the checks every time, and it will just drill it into your head so you don't forget them on the test day.
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