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PostPosted: 18:57 - 30 Jun 2012    Post subject: Helmet ear inserts Reply with quote

Ive got my new helmet and it is quieter than my cheap one, but wind noise is still an issue even at 50mph or more.
So i got some foam earplugs, with these i cant hear anything else really, just the faint noise from the exhaust, but cars passing when im doing more than 45ish i cant hear at all, or cars behind me, which is a bit dangerous to be honest.
I looked inside the helmet, and where the ears go, there are 2 plastic moulds which the ears fit into (probably like most helmets) so i was wondering if there are any small foamy inserts i could stick in there, i think if i had some it would be a good level of sound deadening, not too much, not too little, would also do away with earplugs for everything but motorway speeds for long periods of time.
Any advice?
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 30 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup............


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Earplugs are fine, the rest of the world uses them, wheres the problem?

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PostPosted: 19:10 - 30 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What helmet is it?

If ear plugs dont work the only thing I can think of is your lids too big.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 30 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try different earplugs. My Max Lite ear plugs just filter out the high pitched white noise. I can still hear the bike and other cars/sirens/horns.

However, I don't see your issue because if the wind noise is as bad as you say over 50mph, then you wouldn't be able to hear anything anyway, so you might as well not hear anything and save your hearing as not hear anything and blast your ears with high volume white noise.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 30 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
However, I don't see your issue because if the wind noise is as bad as you say over 50mph, then you wouldn't be able to hear anything anyway, so you might as well not hear anything and save your hearing as not hear anything and blast your ears with high volume white noise.


This.

I know whenever I've got strong wind noise I can't hear other traffic, even myself when it's loud enough (that's certainly at more than 50 though...)
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 'moulds' are to accept intercom speakers 'usually'.
Get proper earplugs.
Earplugs will not prevent you hearing normal sounds.
Get your hearing checked out too. Honestly...
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

try these instead of the foam ones..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130609770907?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

you'll be surprised Smile
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shooter wrote:
Walloper wrote:
Earplugs will not prevent you hearing normal sounds.


I see this repeated a lot on here, and it's a load of bollocks in my opinion. Ear plugs block sound. Of course they will prevent you from hearing certain things.

Walloper wrote:
Get your hearing checked out too. Honestly...


For what purpose?


No, quality earplugs block the harmful white noise that damages your hearing. You can still just about hear people talk, hear engine noises, hear traffic sounds, sirens, horns etc etc. There might be some rubbish or specialised earplugs on the market but they aren't right for motorcycling evidently.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shooter wrote:
Walloper wrote:
Earplugs will not prevent you hearing normal sounds.


I see this repeated a lot on here, and it's a load of bollocks in my opinion. Ear plugs block sound. Of course they will prevent you from hearing certain things.

Walloper wrote:
Get your hearing checked out too. Honestly...


For what purpose?


Hush darling. The adults are talking.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saying earplugs block out white noise but not any other sort of noise is patently nonsensical and absurd.

But if you're going to resort to petty insults when someone asks you for clarification, well then you can just go fuck yourself really Middle Finger I'm not bothered what you think.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shooter wrote:
Saying earplugs block out white noise but not any other sort of noise is patently nonsensical and absurd.

But if you're going to resort to petty insults when someone asks you for clarification, well then you can just go fuck yourself really Middle Finger I'm not bothered what you think.


Were you addressing me Chicken Lips?

If you can say someone posted Bollocks then anyone can return the compliment.
Or is it a case of dish it out but cannot take it back?

Ear Plugs are designed to block unwanted/damaging noise.
They are designed to permit NORMAL conversation and most normal ambient 'noise'. I did say 'normal' in my post didn't I?
If you cannot hear traffic etc. whilst wearing earplugs then perhaps you need to have your hearing tested. There may already be damage so a hearing test will confirm this.
When hearing level is established then hearing protection can be tailored to suit.

I wear earplugs every day at work and when on my bike.
For sure some sound is reduced and one may have difficulty hearing quieter sounds but I am not in any sense (no pun) deafened by wearing earplugs.

I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shooter wrote:
Saying earplugs block out white noise but not any other sort of noise is patently nonsensical and absurd.

But if you're going to resort to petty insults when someone asks you for clarification, well then you can just go fuck yourself really Middle Finger I'm not bothered what you think.


No its not. I am talking from experience. It does reduce the volume of all sounds, but it blocks out the main frequencies that are involved in the white noise from helmet wind noise.

If your earplugs make you completely deaf then I suggest that you either try some decent earplugs (like Max Lite) or if you have done so get a hearing test because you could be losing your hearing.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shooter wrote:
Saying earplugs block out white noise but not any other sort of noise is patently nonsensical and absurd.

But if you're going to resort to petty insults when someone asks you for clarification, well then you can just go fuck yourself really Middle Finger I'm not bothered what you think.


you should really learn what you're talking about before you start spouting off and insulting people.

you're evidently not worth spending much time on but i'll give you the short version.

i found using the foam earplugs and my earphones i felt cut off. isolated from my environment. couldnt hear engines, people nothing. interestingly however my earphones didnt block out wind roar making them completely useless for a biker.

the ones i posted above however are different. they completely block out the harmful wind noise (or at least nearly all of it) yet i can still hear my bike, cars around me and have a chat with my mates at traffic lights.

its all about the frequency range of the various noises and what materials block out what ones. in my experience the foam style block out everything or at least muffle it. some like it but its too much for my tastes. yet the silicone/rubber ones i use just block out the higher wind roar noise yet still allow me to hear the lower tones of engines/speech.

there are also various types of earplugs that will block out more or less noise. up to you to find your balance Smile

i should point out that i flat out cant bare to ride without my earplugs in.. they work so well for me hearing the wind noise is just nightmareish

hope thats helped clarify things for you.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 01 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:

you should really learn what you're talking about before you start spouting off and insulting people.


I have neither spouted off nor insulted anyone.

supZ wrote:

you're evidently not worth spending much time on but i'll give you the short version.


yes please, in itty bitty simple words so my stupid brain can understand Rolling Eyes

supZ wrote:

the ones i posted above however are different. they completely block out the harmful wind noise (or at least nearly all of it) yet i can still hear my bike, cars around me and have a chat with my mates at traffic lights.

its all about the frequency range of the various noises and what materials block out what ones. in my experience the foam style block out everything or at least muffle it. some like it but its too much for my tastes. yet the silicone/rubber ones i use just block out the higher wind roar noise yet still allow me to hear the lower tones of engines/speech.

there are also various types of earplugs that will block out more or less noise. up to you to find your balance Smile


You haven't actually said anything in there that disagrees with what I said. Unless of course, you think that "white noise" is a specific frequency, and furthermore a specific frequency that can only ever be made by helmet wind noise.

supZ wrote:

hope thats helped clarify things for you.


yes thanks, it clarifies that you're a bit of a cunt Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 06:50 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

shooter wrote:
supZ wrote:

you should really learn what you're talking about before you start spouting off and insulting people.


I have neither spouted off nor insulted anyone.

supZ wrote:

you're evidently not worth spending much time on but i'll give you the short version.


yes please, in itty bitty simple words so my stupid brain can understand Rolling Eyes

supZ wrote:

the ones i posted above however are different. they completely block out the harmful wind noise (or at least nearly all of it) yet i can still hear my bike, cars around me and have a chat with my mates at traffic lights.

its all about the frequency range of the various noises and what materials block out what ones. in my experience the foam style block out everything or at least muffle it. some like it but its too much for my tastes. yet the silicone/rubber ones i use just block out the higher wind roar noise yet still allow me to hear the lower tones of engines/speech.

there are also various types of earplugs that will block out more or less noise. up to you to find your balance Smile


You haven't actually said anything in there that disagrees with what I said. Unless of course, you think that "white noise" is a specific frequency, and furthermore a specific frequency that can only ever be made by helmet wind noise.

supZ wrote:

hope thats helped clarify things for you.


yes thanks, it clarifies that you're a bit of a cunt Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 07:39 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're then one that rather pathetically marked my original post as abusive and started throwing petty insults for no reason Rolling Eyes

You still haven't explained how "white noise" and "normal noise" can be differentiated by frequency, since neither of those phrases are defined by or imply any specific frequency.

If you have anything at all intelligent to offer to the debate, please share it.
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh youre all a bunch of girls anyway IMHO...earplugs i ask you Wink
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaaaaanyway to update on the thread, i went out for a ride, and made my hand flat and placed it across my neck, wind noise was reduced loads.
So ive purchased a Windjammer 2, which will mean i wont even need earplugs. Result.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The white noise you hear on a motorcycle is high frequency, earplugs block more high frequencies than low frequencies, therefore you can still hear engine note, airbox roar, people talking and horns/sirens, but not the white noise you get from wind noise.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
Aaaaaanyway to update on the thread, i went out for a ride, and made my hand flat and placed it across my neck, wind noise was reduced loads.
So ive purchased a Windjammer 2, which will mean i wont even need earplugs. Result.


I got really bad wind noise from the neck area on my old helmet as the cheek pads compacted over time. I since bought a new helmet with a tighter fit and it's much improved. Please give us a review of the Windjammer when you get it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

just to add my 2 cents

I'm on my second windjammer. First one lasted for around 9~10 months.
The thing that sticks to the base of the helmet started to "disintegrate" on the front. The neoprene also was started to broke around the neck but even with that, it was still working and it does remove a lot of noise on my current helmet (Arai Quatum 2011)

There is still some noise left. Riding at NSL I can hear a different if I raise my hand and cover my neck, but I guess that will only go away with a higher windscreen.

It may feel a little claustrophobic because it does seal around the neck, and on cold weather it will cause more condensation on the visor but for me, the windjammer is a must on longer motorway trips.
That and earplugs of course (I'm using ultimateear and are worth the money)
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=windjammer&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=E3PxT5nYAoSh8gOuqIW6DQ&biw=1280&bih=909&sei=KHPxT5q1CMrS8gPnnsCEDQ#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=snood&oq=snood&gs_l=img.3..0l10.4454.4966.0.5060.5.5.0.0.0.0.291.582.0j2j1.3.0...0.0.VgE8h3ngxmY&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1053339c144bd748&biw=1280&bih=909

Equally effective

I find it odd you're having an issue at 50mph with windnoise, I have a cheap £50 duchinni lid and haven't noticed anything Thinking
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on loads of factors Alpha, from the height and shape of the screen on the bike, to the size and shape of your head to the configuration of the vents and the adjustment of the visor.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=windjammer&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=E3PxT5nYAoSh8gOuqIW6DQ&biw=1280&bih=909&sei=KHPxT5q1CMrS8gPnnsCEDQ#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=snood&oq=snood&gs_l=img.3..0l10.4454.4966.0.5060.5.5.0.0.0.0.291.582.0j2j1.3.0...0.0.VgE8h3ngxmY&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1053339c144bd748&biw=1280&bih=909

Equally effective

I find it odd you're having an issue at 50mph with windnoise, I have a cheap £50 duchinni lid and haven't noticed anything Thinking


I dont know, but the fit is perfect. It also has an air pump to make the cheek pads inflate for a custom fit, but it fits fine regardless. Its still a fairly cheap helmet, only £90, its the Nitro N-PSI, only got a new one because my old box BX1 was a bad fit, and was much louder than my new one.
How loud is loud for wind noise though? Maybe im just more sensitive to it.
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