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 kawashima World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 14:36 - 07 Jul 2012 Post subject: Are you punished by work if you have road accident? |
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Are you punished by work if you have road accident?
For me, if I have road accident, I must report it, and the email about road accident are sent to every employee of the site. Then I and our members must come earlier and stand at entrance for one week in the morning for punishment.
I read every email about road accident in the morning. This may be a typical collective responsibility idea of far east.
Once I found a rider dropped his bike when he was pushing it. I sometimes wonder why he didn't keep it secret but it said he injured his ankle.
I understand every manufacturing site must reduce industrial accidents and commuting accidents, but this email are sent even for non commuting accidents.
One reason I refrain from riding wildly is this. I really hate this idea. Even careful riders and drivers are sometimes involved in unavoidable road accidents while careless riders/drivers commit accidents repeatedly. One day a sport car overtook a bus wildly, there was general affairs manager in the bus, he phoned the staff and told registration number of the car trying to find if he was employee, it was not, but he was trying to deprive his parking permit I heard.
When I heard this I thought this is rather a nightmare.
I see spill counter thread and wondered if this is only me.
How about you?
Or is this typical far east thing? ____________________ own:2020 Serow 250
owned: 2012 YB125SP, 2008 TDM900, 2005 W650, 2002 LS125R, 2002 CB400SF, NS50F, C50 / Trip to UK(2009), Hokkaido touring(2013)
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No. This sort of thing doesn't happen here (as far as I know anyhow), the EU Human Rights lot would be all over it like a rash...
The one thing work can do, is refuse to let you have time off, in the event of an accident...therefore making you use holiday or lieu time to cover absences. I had an accident at work, and I took time off to see the physio, and had to do the above.  ____________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter won't mind - Dr. Seuss |
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 MarJay But it's British!

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 kawashima World Chat Champion

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| Clanger wrote: | No. This sort of thing doesn't happen here (as far as I know anyhow), the EU Human Rights lot would be all over it like a rash...
The one thing work can do, is refuse to let you have time off, in the event of an accident...therefore making you use holiday or lieu time to cover absences. I had an accident at work, and I took time off to see the physio, and had to do the above.  |
I am envious of Europe. I think it's more right. Ours are being controlled and observed too much. It was unlucky you couldn't have time off. ____________________ own:2020 Serow 250
owned: 2012 YB125SP, 2008 TDM900, 2005 W650, 2002 LS125R, 2002 CB400SF, NS50F, C50 / Trip to UK(2009), Hokkaido touring(2013) |
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When I had a quite bad accident I'd been in the job about a month.
Had just over 8 months off.. came back, was made redundant 3 weeks later.  |
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 kawashima World Chat Champion

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| MarJay wrote: | I had an accident on my bike, had a month off sick and got full pay. No punishment, just sympathy.
Arguably the accident was my fault because I hit a boot in the road, but then again how many boots do you see lying about the place? It was just what I said, an accident. There was no real blame, and as such my work reacted exactly as I expected they would. |
I'm envious of your work. I wonder who dropped the boots on the road.
| ##Paddy## wrote: | When I had a quite bad accident I'd been in the job about a month.
Had just over 8 months off.. came back, was made redundant 3 weeks later.  |
It was so unlucky.. 8 months off must be really bad accident. I'm glad you are now ok. ____________________ own:2020 Serow 250
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3 months off - full pay.
cracked ribs ____________________ If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. |
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we often use our paid holidays all up first, then absence from work since then(no pay). But usually if the off becomes longer, we tend to be given a leave of absence(sick benefit payed).
I know a young guy next to my room works for same site, and has 3 bikes(R1,VTR, nsr50), sometimes go to circuit. I really hope work don't punish him for accident at circuit. There must not be any difference between accidents at baseball game and motorsport.
I may not a real biker yet. Being afraid of punishment and riding slowly. ____________________ own:2020 Serow 250
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 Posted: 16:33 - 07 Jul 2012 Post subject: Re: Are you punished by work if you have road accident? |
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| nowhere.elysium wrote: | | kawashima wrote: | Japan's draconian work habits |
They make you stand outside? What a shower of bastards.
I get the distinct feeling that if I were in Japan, I'd probably lose my job very, very quickly - while I've not had an off on the bike, I definitely wouldn't stand for that sort of behaviour from managers. |
Yes group member stand in a line with crossed-tash printed "safety driving" on it, and say "Good morning. Safety Driving" for 30minutes before work. It's a real shame for the person who had an accident.
By the way it's not managers but general affairs dept. who make us do this. If the accident was malignant, even his manager must attend this penalty. I hate the way how they try to reduce accidents. ____________________ own:2020 Serow 250
owned: 2012 YB125SP, 2008 TDM900, 2005 W650, 2002 LS125R, 2002 CB400SF, NS50F, C50 / Trip to UK(2009), Hokkaido touring(2013) |
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Wotcha.
Accident on Halloween, 2009 . . . . . still off work.  ____________________ Cheers.
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I broke my ribs in a bike crash, I phoned work to let them know I wouldn't be in.
Went in the next day to milk the sympathy cow . No belittling, no punishment, just concern for my welfare. Japanese culture seems... interesting . |
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If I have an accident at work then woe betide me if they can lay the blame on me!
And if I have a work related driving accident I'd better have filled in a journey management plan
But I do work for a broom cupboard in Singapore so they don't give much of a shit about european workers rights  ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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I remember when I was at MHI in Honmoku, watching the workforce doing their excercises in the morning. Every single worker out there doing them
It's just a completely different culture.
Actually, perhaps thats why British Leyland went bust, no pre work excercise regime! ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 167 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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