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kawashima
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Are you punished by work if you have road accident? Reply with quote

Are you punished by work if you have road accident?
For me, if I have road accident, I must report it, and the email about road accident are sent to every employee of the site. Then I and our members must come earlier and stand at entrance for one week in the morning for punishment.
I read every email about road accident in the morning. This may be a typical collective responsibility idea of far east.
Once I found a rider dropped his bike when he was pushing it. I sometimes wonder why he didn't keep it secret but it said he injured his ankle.
I understand every manufacturing site must reduce industrial accidents and commuting accidents, but this email are sent even for non commuting accidents.
One reason I refrain from riding wildly is this. I really hate this idea. Even careful riders and drivers are sometimes involved in unavoidable road accidents while careless riders/drivers commit accidents repeatedly. One day a sport car overtook a bus wildly, there was general affairs manager in the bus, he phoned the staff and told registration number of the car trying to find if he was employee, it was not, but he was trying to deprive his parking permit I heard.
When I heard this I thought this is rather a nightmare.

I see spill counter thread and wondered if this is only me.
How about you?
Or is this typical far east thing?
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. This sort of thing doesn't happen here (as far as I know anyhow), the EU Human Rights lot would be all over it like a rash...

The one thing work can do, is refuse to let you have time off, in the event of an accident...therefore making you use holiday or lieu time to cover absences. I had an accident at work, and I took time off to see the physio, and had to do the above. Mad
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an accident on my bike, had a month off sick and got full pay. No punishment, just sympathy.

Arguably the accident was my fault because I hit a boot in the road, but then again how many boots do you see lying about the place? It was just what I said, an accident. There was no real blame, and as such my work reacted exactly as I expected they would.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
No. This sort of thing doesn't happen here (as far as I know anyhow), the EU Human Rights lot would be all over it like a rash...

The one thing work can do, is refuse to let you have time off, in the event of an accident...therefore making you use holiday or lieu time to cover absences. I had an accident at work, and I took time off to see the physio, and had to do the above. Mad

I am envious of Europe. I think it's more right. Ours are being controlled and observed too much. It was unlucky you couldn't have time off.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I had a quite bad accident I'd been in the job about a month.

Had just over 8 months off.. came back, was made redundant 3 weeks later. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I had an accident on my bike, had a month off sick and got full pay. No punishment, just sympathy.

Arguably the accident was my fault because I hit a boot in the road, but then again how many boots do you see lying about the place? It was just what I said, an accident. There was no real blame, and as such my work reacted exactly as I expected they would.

I'm envious of your work. I wonder who dropped the boots on the road.
##Paddy## wrote:
When I had a quite bad accident I'd been in the job about a month.

Had just over 8 months off.. came back, was made redundant 3 weeks later. Laughing

It was so unlucky.. 8 months off must be really bad accident. I'm glad you are now ok.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every crash I've ever had has meant me being off work with no pay, longest being about 4 weeks. That was fun.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't really remember much from back in Sep '09 with my accident but I don't remember having any issues with work. Gave me a fair amount of time to recover, paid.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 months off - full pay. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 15:21 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get paid if I have an accident on my bike but my colleagues who drive cars have had nothing mentioned to them.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

we often use our paid holidays all up first, then absence from work since then(no pay). But usually if the off becomes longer, we tend to be given a leave of absence(sick benefit payed).
I know a young guy next to my room works for same site, and has 3 bikes(R1,VTR, nsr50), sometimes go to circuit. I really hope work don't punish him for accident at circuit. There must not be any difference between accidents at baseball game and motorsport.
I may not a real biker yet. Being afraid of punishment and riding slowly.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Re: Are you punished by work if you have road accident? Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
Japan's draconian work habits

They make you stand outside? What a shower of bastards.
I get the distinct feeling that if I were in Japan, I'd probably lose my job very, very quickly - while I've not had an off on the bike, I definitely wouldn't stand for that sort of behaviour from managers.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Re: Are you punished by work if you have road accident? Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
kawashima wrote:
Japan's draconian work habits

They make you stand outside? What a shower of bastards.
I get the distinct feeling that if I were in Japan, I'd probably lose my job very, very quickly - while I've not had an off on the bike, I definitely wouldn't stand for that sort of behaviour from managers.

Yes group member stand in a line with crossed-tash printed "safety driving" on it, and say "Good morning. Safety Driving" for 30minutes before work. It's a real shame for the person who had an accident.
By the way it's not managers but general affairs dept. who make us do this. If the accident was malignant, even his manager must attend this penalty. I hate the way how they try to reduce accidents.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wotcha.

Accident on Halloween, 2009 . . . . . still off work. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I broke my ribs in a bike crash, I phoned work to let them know I wouldn't be in.

Went in the next day to milk the sympathy cow Thumbs Up . No belittling, no punishment, just concern for my welfare. Japanese culture seems... interesting Wink .
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work for a large Japanese car company in the Uk and the management(british) were really good with me. I was off for 7 weeks with full pay minus my shift premium (which i will get back from the driver who caused the accident).

I find it amazing they treat you like this.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you not have unions to fight against such things? In Europe we have a Court of Human Rights and the UK Human Rights Act that we could use in such cases.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:

The one thing work can do, is refuse to let you have time off, in the event of an accident...therefore making you use holiday or lieu time to cover absences. I had an accident at work, and I took time off to see the physio, and had to do the above. Mad

If you have a "doctor's note", I don't think this is the case.
If you can work, but wish to get medical advice and the like, then it's up to you to either take time off or book it for a time when you're not working (of course, plenty of companies are more flexible.)

I had a bad crash racing and had 2 months or so off on full pay from the company.
I had been 'good' to the company generally otherwise - for a start I wasn't on as much money as I really should have been (later rectified) and over the previous 6 years had a total of 5 sick days maybe - massively less than a lot of people.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
...one thing work can do, is refuse to let you have time off, in the event of an accident...therefore making you use holiday or lieu time to cover absences. I had an accident at work, and I took time off to see the physio, and had to do the above. Mad

That's odd.
I thought it was a requirement to allow you medical treatment. Ok, you might have to make up hours but not taken as holiday!

I do know new EU rules have come into play where if you are on holiday and are sick (or an accident) then on proof of sickness the company has to give you the days you were sick on holiday back as holiday entitlement.

Now I guess the rub is the proof of sickness when on holiday. Apparently companies should be informing their employees what this can be. I suspect given their track record the human resources dept. in my company will only be accepting death certificate Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I have an accident at work then woe betide me if they can lay the blame on me!

And if I have a work related driving accident I'd better have filled in a journey management plan Rolling Eyes

But I do work for a broom cupboard in Singapore so they don't give much of a shit about european workers rights Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember when I was at MHI in Honmoku, watching the workforce doing their excercises in the morning. Every single worker out there doing them Shocked

It's just a completely different culture.

Actually, perhaps thats why British Leyland went bust, no pre work excercise regime!
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Clanger wrote:

work accident thing

If you have a "doctor's note", I don't think this is the case.
Plenty of companies are more flexible.


I sought advice on this - went to speak to a solicitor through the CAB, showed them my contract and everything...I didn't have a leg to stand on through the law...unless I wanted to sue them. Neutral

What I do know now though is, if I think something 'work' ask me to do at work might aggravate said injury...it is totally within my rights to refuse. So I do. And will probably continue to do so for a long time. Cool
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I had an accident on my bike, had a month off sick and got full pay. No punishment, just sympathy.

Arguably the accident was my fault because I hit a boot in the road, but then again how many boots do you see lying about the place? It was just what I said, an accident. There was no real blame, and as such my work reacted exactly as I expected they would.
If one was to live upto a 'twattish' reputation with 'no shame' one could point out in-line with Roger/Mike's theories that accidents don't exist, someone is at fault, whether that's leaving a boot in the road carelessly or a following party not riding to the conditions to see said boot in time.

But one wouldn't be. Whistle
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, should clarify - if you get officially signed off, then you are ok to miss work. Otherwise it's you that has to be flexible not them legally as far as I know.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 07 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:

But one wouldn't be. Whistle


People in glass houses, Mr banned for no insurance... Or would one not want the grovelling PM you sent me made public perchance?
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