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PostPosted: 08:22 - 13 Sep 2012    Post subject: Deep cycle batteries Reply with quote

Anyone know anything about deep cycle batteries?

I am looking for some indepth information about them, in particular, damage which can occur by full 100% discharging.
Google throws up minimal information, basically saying replace them or they might work.

The situation is, I have 8x 6v deep cycle batteries, they were fine and left fully charged for about 4 months. I checked the voltages and all were ~6.2v so all good I though. I put them on a machine, and I needed to discharge them to perform a test in which I attached basically a giant resistor which gets hot. Draws ~50A. I left this going and forgot about it. I came back and the batteries were totally dead. They powered a little LED on a relay but wouldn't actually power the relay. I put them on charge on a special charger with some new prototype charging profile that is supposed to know what is going on. Usually it goes to full ampage which is about 25A and then near the end it decreases slowly.
It went straight for the lowest setting and stayed on there for 2 days solid and it says it is full and ready to go now. The batteries are reading 27V which is good. The machine works.

Now, without spending 5 hours driving around and using the machine, can someone tell me what is going on and if there is likely to be any damage? I know the basics of how they work, but like I said, I can't find anything in depth.

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However, when the battery has remained discharged for an extended period or has been subjected to repeated deep-discharges without charging fully between cycles, the sulfate material can harden into crystals which are more difficult to convert. Until the sulfate is converted, the sulfated portions of the plates are useless, and the battery can accept and hold only a partial charge. Eventually, sulfation can ruin a battery.


This is the most useful piece of info but it refers to discharged batteries left for a long time so I am not sure it applies.

Just done a specific gravity test and it won't register so I am guessing it is basically just water.

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PostPosted: 09:52 - 13 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, bit rusty on batteries, generally though it is very hard to recover a deep cycle battery.

What you can try and do is kick the battery back into life with a set of jump leads a new battery and a very intelligent charger that can charge in series, chances are though, I would say you have fucked them up.

What batteries are they? I will ask my mate as he has done shit loads with electric machinery with 6 volt deep cycles
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 13 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

have you tryed innox (i think thats what its called) basically it a de-sulfate additive, i ve used it on my old lead acids before i changed to agm's it worked pretty well, batteries that i thought were beyond saving managed to live again,

never used smart chargers, so can't comment on all that
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 13 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the battery data sheet

https://www.dynobattery.com/SpecD260.pdf

The machine is a 24v system so 2x 4 sets in parallel and the charger is programmed for this. It has a custom profile which has been modified for these batteries.

I just looked for innox and it threw up some information.

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The process can often be at least partially reversed by a desulfation technique called pulse conditioning, in which short but powerful current surges are repeatedly sent through the damaged battery. Over time, this procedure tends to break down and dissolve the sulfate crystals, restoring some capacity.[16]
Desulfation is the process of reversing the sulfation of a lead-acid battery. Desulfation is achieved by high current pulses produced between the terminals of the battery. This technique, also called pulse conditioning, breaks down the sulfate crystals that are formed on the battery plates. Short high current pulses tend to work best. Electronic circuits are used to regulate the pulses of different widths and frequency of high current pulses. These can also be used to automate the process since it takes a long period of time to desulfate a battery fully. Battery chargers designed for desulfating lead-acid batteries are commercially available. A battery will be unrecoverable if the active material has been lost from the plates, or if the plates are bent due to over temperature or over charging.


I am pretty sure we have some chargers that do this pulse charging thing. I was talking to my boss yesterday about this on a totally unrelated matter. He was saying it has only recently been taken off and we are currently using some chargers that do this.
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