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PostPosted: 11:34 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: They're at it again with the NSL Reply with quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18840110

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PostPosted: 11:46 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

just means i'll get done for doing 2.5 times the speed limit instead of 1.5 Wink
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be quite honest, most "country roads" around me are so narrow and winding, its near impossible to reach 60.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its only going to be blackspot areas.


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There will be no changes to the national limits of 30mph on street lit roads, 60mph on single carriageway roads and 70mph on dual carriageways and motorways.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ministers-back-speed-limit-clampdown-093800044.html
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The nobs in power wrote:
a reduction to 40mph should also be considered where there [...] are "a considerable number" of [...] motorcyclists.


What...?

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Some 49% of road deaths in 2010 in the UK took place on single carriageway rural roads with a 60mph speed limit.


Why 2010? Why not use the figures from 2011, unless they were lower? What speed were the crashes actually at though, were they all at 60 or were they below? Were some of them bikers at junctions by any chance?

We don't need to lower the speed limit. We all ignore the speed limit like we ignore the safety warnings on a cup of coffee. Drivers simply need to be taught how to decide what speed it is safe to go.

I've commonly seen myself down at 40mph for some country roads because that's all I felt safe at. I've also clocked the ton many times down country roads because again, I felt safe at it.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there really that many people out there who can't figure out what feels safe and what doesn't? FFS.

There are 30 roads near me that you could quite comfortably do 60 down, wide road, can see far ahead and open junctions.

However there are some 30 roads where doing 30 feels really unsafe due to the narrowness, double-parked cars etc.

We don't need nannying... If idiots get themselves killed then it's just natural selection.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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where there are many bends

Not good for enjoyable windings.

I felt 90% of drivers/riders kept speed limits in UK which are higher than ours, while 90% of us break speed limits which are lower than yours. So reducing limits in UK must be so stressful. If 90% keep speed limits, it should be kept high.

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PostPosted: 12:51 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
just means i'll get done for doing 2.5 times the speed limit instead of 1.5 Wink


You're gonna start doing 100 instead of 90 just to prove a point?
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to investigate the single track country roads around my area. They're bendy, twisty and bumpy. And are 60mph limits. Ive never hit over 45 on them as you just cant see enough. When i get to the bends its a drop to max 30 and at most 3rd gear. Its just not safe to go faster. More car drivers need to realise that the speed limits dont have to be met all the time. I get car drivers right behind me even if im doing 40 in a 40. Then they overtake me and sit at 35 in front of me -_-.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could foresee this leading to more over exuberant dodgy overtakes as people get frustrated by people actully sticking to 40. I reckon overtakes cause more fatal accidents than just doing 60 rather than 40 down a country road and randomly losing control in a ball of flames.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

darthbuttchin wrote:
And are 60mph limits. Ive never hit over 45 on them as you just cant see enough.

The problem is they will bang a 30mph on it and then even you will be frustrated. If there's a hazard which normal people would slow down for, anywhere along the road, they will use that as a reason to slap a lower limit on the entire road, even the parts of it where it's safe to go much faster.

Then the cops with laser guns (who used to be known as the "burglary squad", but they got disbanded, as they prefer not to do real police work these days) will be out there booking everyone. Including the people who called for the lower limit. Because they always turn out to be hypocrites.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speed limit :S Question Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont believe this BS! Cant they see that THE SPEED LIMIT IS TOO FUCKING SLOW AS IT IS!! THEY SHOULD INCREASE IT, NOT LOWER IT! Who the hell enjoys driving 60mph ffs! Driving slow breeds frustration. Frustrated drivers are not safe drivers. People that come up with speed limits are stupid cunts. People that enforce them are bell ends.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked at this part:

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Under the plans, which are open to public consultation, a reduction to 40mph should also be considered where there is "substantial development" or where there are "a considerable number" of horse-riders, pedestrians, cyclists and motorcyclists.


BS!!

So they are considering this to make it safer for us?? Most likely to be introduced on roads well known for having bikers on them.

The nanny state continues................
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as its applied to the correct areas and actually policed, good.

There are some areas that just retarded having a 60 limit. Most people cant get above 40 on them, but theres always a handfull of cocks that are convinced they are racing gods, aim for 60, and come right across the center of the road on near blind corners.

I would love to agree with the 'driving correct to the conditions' arguement, but until someone manages to convince the 50% of road drivers that think they are awesome, that the are infact feckless idiots with no road skills, speed limits will have to hang around.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:
I dont believe this BS! Cant they see that THE SPEED LIMIT IS TOO FUCKING SLOW AS IT IS!! THEY SHOULD INCREASE IT, NOT LOWER IT! Who the hell enjoys driving 60mph ffs! Driving slow breeds frustration. Frustrated drivers are not safe drivers. People that come up with speed limits are stupid cunts. People that enforce them are bell ends.
Wooo-sahh.

Is this what happens when the stig spends so long not talking? Internet venting. Neutral

Laughing Seriously though, I agree. No idea why the proposed 80mph motorway limit was scrapped.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i kinda welcome the change.

dont need to be going along at 60 down roads like that
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:
I dont believe this BS! Cant they see that THE SPEED LIMIT IS TOO FUCKING SLOW AS IT IS!! THEY SHOULD INCREASE IT, NOT LOWER IT! Who the hell enjoys driving 60mph ffs! Driving slow breeds frustration. Frustrated drivers are not safe drivers. People that come up with speed limits are stupid cunts. People that enforce them are bell ends.



Oh, come on, I doubt anybody does over the speed limit
on the types of roads they are talking about.

Would you do over 60 down a single track road,multiple bends,
countless hidden places where cars, tractors, livestock etc etc
could appear out of nowhere, if you say yes, then you are the type
of person this kind of legislation is for, if you say no, then what's
the problem with lowering the limit, after all, you won't be penalised,
only the people that use the speed limits as a target will be.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nai wrote:
There are some areas that just retarded having a 60 limit. Most people cant get above 40 on them, but theres always a handfull of cocks that are convinced they are racing gods, aim for 60, and come right across the center of the road on near blind corners.

And these new limits will stop them how, exactly?
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernow24 wrote:
...what's the problem with lowering the limit, after all, you won't be penalised only the people that use the speed limits as a target will be.

So that'll be all new and recently qualified drivers/riders then. Rolling Eyes

Apology as only skim read the thread as it's grown from the initial couple of posts when I viewed it. Appears many useful comments above. To pass the test you must get very close to the allowed limit on all roads. You fail, on grounds of failure to make progress, if you don't. Even in the wet provided traffic conditions allow you must do it (observing 4 second rule and all that).

So to say it's wrong to say the speed limit is a target is totally and absolutely missing the point that in order to qualify as a driver/rider you must treat and all the teaching tells you to take them as a target.

IMHO this is another example of going for the lowest hanging fruit and failing to get a safety message across. The tag line 'Speed Kills' is a snappy sound bite and looks good on adverts. However, it is wrong. Now inappropriate use of speed can be dangerous. Not as snappy and easy to deliver as a message is it!

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PostPosted: 16:53 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordShaftesbury wrote:
Nai wrote:
There are some areas that just retarded having a 60 limit. Most people cant get above 40 on them, but theres always a handfull of cocks that are convinced they are racing gods, aim for 60, and come right across the center of the road on near blind corners.

And these new limits will stop them how, exactly?


Read the top line of the post... Neutral
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be policed about as much as current speed limits are policed, if not less. What makes you think otherwise?
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
all the teaching tells you to take them as a target.

But it just doesn't. Confused

No examiner would fail you for slowing down to below 60 on a little windy back lane. What a bizarre viewpoint.
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nai wrote:
As long as its applied to the correct areas and actually policed, good.


Read this back to myself a few times now and not sure how else to word it...

I am trying to say...

Well...

As long as it is policed, then its good?

If its not policed then its pointless and theres no reason for anyone to complain...

You can put the keyboard down. No warrior'ing required Wink
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 14 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A far quicker, easier, cheaper and more effective way of drastically reducing road casualty statistics would be to ban motorcycling. Now that would be easily policed.
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