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PostPosted: 18:18 - 21 Jul 2012    Post subject: Advice for a friend who self-harms Reply with quote

Without going into details, I have a friend who is going through a rough patch. He takes drugs/alcohol and self-harms when he's sad or angry. This has been going on for years. He showed me a photo of himself today with 100+ cuts on his stomach and it made me feel sick. My gut reaction would be to go and get help from a professional, but he's now in another country, a Muslim country, where drugs, alcohol and self harm are obviously frowned upon. I don't think it's as easy to get help over there as it is over here.

I'm the only person who knows what's going on, so what can I do/say to get him to stop? I think he needs help but he doesn't think it's THAT bad. He doesn't understand that if he carries on this WILL end up destroying his life.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 21 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pics ? Idea
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 21 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is this your problem? Don't give him any chance to suck you into his spiral of self pity. You're not on a rehearsal, he's an adult, and this is his problem, not yours. Shut it down.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 21 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:03 - 21 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he's taking pics of it and more so, if he's showing them to you, it seems like attention seeking behaviour.

Most self harm is secret, done in secret, kept in secret, and is a great source of embarrassment and shame when it's discovered.

How bad were the cuts? Did they look like they needed stitches? Chances are that he's just going through a lonely time and needs to reach out, but isn't sure how to do it, or might not even want to admit it to himself.

At least in a Muslim country there's less opportunity and culture of drinking, so if he doesn't get drunk/high for a while, he might "grow out of it" for want of a better term. It can be quite habitual and something that you do without really thinking about.

You can offer support, tell him to talk to you if he has any problems etc but that's probably not going to work out too well as if he's depressed he's likely to be embarrassed about it a not want to talk about it. What would be better is just to call him, face book him, send him letters and generally keep in contact with him regularly if you can.

And to be honest, self harm isn't as bad as people make out. Self harm does not go hand in hand with suicidal tenancies or anything, it's just a stress release mechanism, albeit flawed.

If he's depressed, then CBT(not the bike, but cognitive behavioural therapy) can work very well. The anti depressant drugs can work, but can also leave you as bad with other behavioural problems, e.g. Selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors can leave you zoned out and existing rather than living. Yea you don't be depressed, but you also don't really be anything.


TLDR; = try and keep in contact with him, and don't worry too much as he'll probably sort it out himself. Don't push him into talking about it as he'll probably be embarrassed.
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 21 Jul 2012    Post subject: Re: Advice for a friend who self-harms Reply with quote

Ignore any of his self pitying behaviour. I'd suggest the only reason it's not on his arm on display is because he's in a muslim country.

I completely agree with what has been said above. He's trying to make it your problem and you certainly don't need that. Karma
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 21 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advice for a friend who self-harms?


Down the road, not across the street
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 21 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

asharin wrote:
Advice for a friend who self-harms?


Down the road, not across the street


Suicide and self harm are not the same thing. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 22 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluezedd wrote:
asharin wrote:
Advice for a friend who self-harms?


Down the road, not across the street


Suicide and self harm are not the same thing. Thumbs Up

Yeah, I know...still the first thing that popped into my head though...probably says something about me... Confused
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 22 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most suicides are by self harm tbf. Idea
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PostPosted: 03:21 - 22 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

covdude wrote:
Most suicides are by self harm tbf. Idea


There's a difference. Self harmers do it for attention. Intentional suicides, as opposed to, "I did something stupid for attention (usually pills) and no one found me in time", are quite different, although they are both messed in the head. The former don't really want to do die, they want attention and help. The deliberate suicide just wants out, by the easiest way they think possible, maybe even subtly saying goodbye before they go.

As an example, the ex-OH of someone I know gave stuff away, arranged all their shit, then went and threw themselves in front of a train. Not much attention seeking there, zero chance of survival, just a deliberation to get what they thought they had to do, done.
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 22 Jul 2012    Post subject: Re: Advice for a friend who self-harms Reply with quote

Fifteen15 wrote:
I have a friend who is going through a rough patch.

Fifteen15 wrote:
He takes drugs/alcohol and self-harms when he's sad or angry.

Fifteen15 wrote:
This has been going on for years.

Fifteen15 wrote:
He showed me a photo of himself today with 100+ cuts on his stomach and it made me feel sick.
To be fair, a rough patch can last months, can, not DOES.

This is years, it's a way of life, not a rough patch.

One that could well end very badly for him, which might not be a bad thing?
I don't mean to sound callous, but if he's reaching out to you then it's clear he knows HOW to get help, does he want to?

I'd tell his parents/siblings/OH or something, you might be seen as a confidante breaker but isn't that better than the (slight) chance you do nothing and one day he goes too far? You shouldn't have that weight on your shoulders and imo it's pretty selfish of a grown man to inflict that, if he's sound minded enough to know help is there - he should be sound minded enough to know people care and there's no reason for his thought pattern.

Just my 2p, flame away. Karma
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 22 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell him not to beat him self up over it.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 22 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
Self harmers do it for attention.

Mmm, yes and no. I do believe that some folk do it for the sense of control.

Either way though, it's their defect, and sharing the problem doesn't half it.
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PostPosted: 01:28 - 23 Jul 2012    Post subject: Re: Advice for a friend who self-harms Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
To be fair, a rough patch can last months, can, not DOES.

This is years, it's a way of life, not a rough patch.


I'm only 18 at the moment but my rough patch lasted around 2 years, it wasn't really something my friends could help with either.

ThoughtControl wrote:
Self harmers do it for attention.


Not always. Mine was very secret, nobody knew about it except myself. The thing that actually forced me to stop in the end was when I once got caught and seriously struggled to lie myself out of it. Even though I wanted to do it after that, I never did again because I realised I just couldn't do it any more without getting caught.

Things got better in the end though and it's not crossed my mind in at least a year.

Rogerborg wrote:
Mmm, yes and no. I do believe that some folk do it for the sense of control.

Either way though, it's their defect, and sharing the problem doesn't half it.


For me it was a sense of stress-relief, which strangely really worked. It was the physical pain that I did it for. I'm not sure how to describe it other than it was just nice to feel a different kind of pain.

I never shared my problem though because all it does it cause people to worry about you like OP is doing now. If you know they can't help, why burden them with the problem? OP's friend does sound a little bit attention-seeking with sending the photos.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 23 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as they don't cut too deep, and cuts don't get infected, it's a bit of a wierd passtime, but if they get something out of it, a buzz, attention etc leave them too it.
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