which is more dangerous? Pushbike or 50cc motorbike?

[Pete]

Which do you people think is more dangerous. Riding a 50cc motorbike or riding a push bike?
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[Visitor Q]

DEFINITELY pushbike !!! i know and know of more people killed on pushbikes then motorbikes cos no one wears any head protection, there is a stigma against it (which i followed naturally) ergo you can get to about the same speeds (about 30 mph restricted 50, if you derestrict its your own choice) but still on bikes you wear ALOT more gear, and people HAVE to have completed courses to be on the road (or suffer prison ergo very few exceptions) whereas on the cyclepath any number of nutcases frequent them. For example twathead 16 year olds doing about 60 down em on their aerox's and such shite. groups of women walking in the middle of blind bends carrying prams, leaves (i have had bad experience with that i tell thee... hurt alot fooking more then ANY bikecrash ive had) etc. If you ride on the road on a pedal bike people WILL try and piss you off, cos you piss them off basically. If you are going up a hill at about 10 mph and there isnt enough room to overtake safely i can tell you now they aint going to stick around, and you cant exactly assert your presence on the road, whereas on a bike you stick solidly in the centre of the lane and true a 50cc bike when restricted will go up it very slowly to hell with it you paid road tax get in the centre of the road.

Just my 2p worth but hell i didnt find the 50cc bike dangerous and i rode like a complete nutcase, you ride safely no one will bother you. Specially if you ride a bike that looks like it could piss all over them if you wanted to (derbi gpr , rs50, reisju matrix etc) and ride in good gear no one will bother you. I only had ONE road rage incident in my 14 odd months of riding a 50cc and that was literally same day as selling it, generally people on the road admit mistakes and are calm and safe about it.

Bottom line is you could ride 100% safely on an R1 and live happily on it and be completely safe really, when bikers die is when they do something silly or someone else does, and pon a 50cc someone reversing into you etc is just gonna result in scrapes and a new bike. On a pushbike you are gonna come off ALOT worse

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[mr jamez]

50cc bikes are dangerous in my opinion, byt bicycles are worse, car drivers seem to care...even less plus I don't wear any protective gear at all

"he doesn't pay road tax, he deserves to have his face smashed against the tarmac"

[1cyl]

Both are horrifically lethal, problem with 50's is that you haven't the power to accelerate out of danger, and push bikes are silent and invisible.
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[Milo]

It really depends on the rider. 16 year olds on peds think they're so grown up, cool and invincible and take many more risks.

Me on a pushbike (for the last 8 years) compared to the peds i've seen on my 3 years of motorcycling and I'm a lot safer.

Adam
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[Jasoon]

Though both easily have the potential to kill you, especially if you ride like a twat, personally I think theres more danger in riding around on a 50cc.

A sensible rider who bothers to wear decent protection is going to be probably equally at risk on either (But a small risk at that), while your 16 year old "Look at me, I'm so hardcore, I'll take on a Dodge Viper", probably stands more chance of getting himself killed on a 50cc, just because theres more speed, and more chance for putting himself in a stupid situation.

So overall - 50cc!

Now... I'm off to play chicken with lorries on my Pushbike.

[Sparks!]

I am much safer on a push bike.


That would be because I cant pedal it fast enough for it to hurt when I fall off
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[Klause]

I have been on a 50cc for 10 months now. Before the 50cc i was push bike mad (downhill,races etc) and still am. I think i'm finding the 50cc ends me in scary situations because i have no power, just an hairdryer for an engine :/. For example... need to move into a different lane, but i haven't enough speed or power to move into that lane unless i want to slam into the side of a car .

But my dna 50cc offers way much more freedom and fun than cycling everywhere! Getting a cagiva planet 125 tomorrow so that should be fun but cant use it on the roads till july 19th

[Ant]

You can ride your bike on the path if it comes to it without the police causing too much of a fuss, but somehow i think a 50cc scooter would grab their attention!
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[Noggin]

It depends really, a 50cc in my area won't take up the whole road, and usually pull in so I can pass, but push bikes ride all over the road, so I blast them away, on my NSR. To be honest, they can both do the same speed if they want to, so they're both as dangerous as each other!

I was setting off to Halfords the other day from college, and this guy on a ped was waiting for me to go, think he wanted a race, he followed me as far as he could in the 30 zone, and when we hit 40 zone, I zipped off at 50, and waved!

Then I slowed down to 40 till I got to the dual carriageway, then 65/70 all the way.




Craig G(Noggin)
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[Mac]

[Visitor Q]

i was. Especially if it was a nice day, or id had a bad day, and especially so if it was a sunny day and someone pissed me off (i say sunny meaning dry, warm and easy to see - i was perhaps the only 16 year old to understand the concept of tyres gripping,damn retards. Its fucking cold, its icey quite blatantly but its sunny, ergo we can go to hairpins at 50 on cold tyres and expect it to handle it aswell as on a wonderful warm summer day with nicely warmed up tyres from a long ride.... their ensuing crashes were funny tho )
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[NSR125-Kid-UK]

Well I've not had a pushbike since i was six, but I'd have to vote for peds being more dangerous. A derestricted ped is heavier and faster than a pushbike, can accelerate faster, in some cases can't slow as fast, and being a roadgoing vehicle, situations where other traffic may pose a hazard (dually's/large roundabouts) are much more likely to occur.

I agree that Cyclists seem to have a stigma against wearing protective gear, but when i go from my NSR (wrapped up in nice leathers and protective lid) to a pushbike in jeans and a t-shirt, it feels an unnaturally exposed position, because i'm used to that level of protection.
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[LustyLew]

Oddly enough I'm crap at riding a push bike... Just cant seem to do it any more lol, its so flimsy and light, give me an engine between my legs and I'm happy.

Had a huge row with a mate, he isn't convinced that the faster you go the more stable the bike becomes... I'll show him
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[David]

definitely a pushbike cause they are harder to control than a 50cc .but they both do about the same speed anyway : trust me come on i drive a suzuki marauder! and also i have actually passed and overtaken a 50cc motorbike when i was out training cause they are no rubbish!
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[atom]

I was reading last night that those motorized wheelchair/ golf cart things, are allowed on Dual carriage ways (with a flashy light ) they only do 8 miles per hour!!!

[Kris]

[mrchips]

Some of those racing pushbikers are very quick indeed. One was sitting beside (and admittedly in front) me at 30+mph the other day. On the whole I'd say pushbike as you are not wearing much if you come off, and moped because you don't have the power to escape from danger and other road users do the daftest things to pass you, pull out in front of you, artics pass you 50cm away...

Although all the same could still happen on a bicyle.

[hush]

I think it depends on how you ride. A pushbike will always be dangerous on the roads, because, for some reason it appears car drivers have a huge problem seeing cyclists. However, how you ride, and what you can make you bicycle do makes a lot of difference.

Regarding safety equipment on bicycles, logically you should wear a helmet, and good covering of clothes, and of course gloves. Personally (prepare the safety flames), I don't ride my bicycle with a helmet, as I have never found one which allows me to view around me, and look behind with the same clarity as without, clothes and gloves I always use. The rest is down to being able to control your bicycle.

Fancy tricks are great fun, but some are always handy for being able to get out of trouble, good hops, stoppies - particularly twisted stoppies and importantly being able to jump off your moving bike.

Motorbikes, obviously you get better training, have to wear a helmet and should wear decent safety clothing and gloves. However, as mentioned 50cc bikes are low on power, so you have to be ultra aware of your surroundings, no way out of situations using the things you can on a bicycle, and as mentioned, a lot of younger first timers get an air of immortality with their new machine.

I was going to say bicycle, but a bad cyclist is likely to be less injured than a bad 50cc rider. Mind you, a lot of young cyclists (or their parents who purchase the bike) ride bikes that are much to big for them, on the basis that they will grow into them - much more dangerous than people seem to realise.

Okay, long and boring post over with now, congratulations to anyone who read through it all.

[Pete]

Thanx a lot everyone. I'm feeling for information to feed my Dad to try and get him to come round and let me have a bike on the road. Am thinking of dropping a hint that might lead to a conversation about them at the trial on wednesday. (Yes, my dad intorduced me to bikes and has bought me a shiny new trials bikes, but won't let me on the road! Ironic!)
Hoping that some of your posts coupled with a few of my arguments will get him to come round!
Thanx again!
Pete.
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