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Vexon101
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: How strict are helmet laws In the UK? Reply with quote

This question doesn't concern me, however A neighbor drive's a CBR 600R & I always see her fully kitted up, except.... She doesn't wear a helmet?

I find It hilarious yet why can she drive her bike everyday without wearing a helmet and without getting done for It?

Don't understand why you wouldn't wear a helmet, probably doesn't wanna ruin her hair.
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe she doesn't get caught? I know if I came across someone not wearing a helmet, they would be getting a ticket, not sure if its a fine and points though.
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

JFK wrote:
Maybe she doesn't get caught? I know if I came across someone not wearing a helmet, they would be getting a ticket, not sure if its a fine and points though.


I go past atleaste 6 police cars a day, so It's a matter of cops ignoring her or maybe she just pays the fine every time she's caught lol.
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PostPosted: 05:47 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07:29 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dazbo666 wrote:
We can only hope that natural selection makes its choice Twisted Evil


why?
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PostPosted: 07:45 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07:46 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: How strict are helmet laws In the UK? Reply with quote

Vexon101 wrote:
This question doesn't concern me, however A neighbor drive's a CBR 600R & I always see her fully kitted up, except.... She doesn't wear a helmet?

I find It hilarious yet why can she drive her bike everyday without wearing a helmet and without getting done for It?

Don't understand why you wouldn't wear a helmet, probably doesn't wanna ruin her hair.


Ask her how she gets away with, I would be curious but also how is her face not full of indentations from all the bugs!
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being that a helmet is the only legally required bit of kit... Laughing Shes a bit of a moose.

Religion? Laughing

Either way, Sod wearing no helmet...
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PostPosted: 08:01 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think helmet law is just a fine, however i'd expect police to hassle you a fair bit as they don't want to be the ones called to the accident where they see your skull smashed open.
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's no wonder paramedics and the like call us organ donors when riders do stupid things like that!

If I had to choose which bit of kit I would save in a fire then before the question was finished I'd have my helmet on Laughing

Vexon, you should go over and ask her next time you see her. I'd love to hair her reason (pun intended).
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

SweenyT wrote:


If I had to choose which bit of kit I would save in a fire then before the question was finished I'd have my helmet on Laughing



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PostPosted: 08:39 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently it's only a £30 fine for wearing no helmet. Personally I think it should be a massive fine and points for a first offence of wearing no helmet and then a years ban for a second offence. I also think they should change the law so that at least gloves and jacket are compulsory. I see so many idiots (especially middle aged blokes) on sports bikes wearing t-shirt, shorts or tracksuit bottoms and trainers with no gloves on. God help 'em if they ever fall off!!
I came off my little YBR 125 in the Trough of Bowland at about 40mph and it bloody well hurt. I was wearing boots, jacket, gloves, helmet and some good sturdy jeans. So luckily I walked way with only a cut knee (no rip in my jeans!Smile ) and torn ligaments in my ankle. If I'd have been dressed like one of those morons I shudder to think what might have happened.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK, the current controlling legislation is the Motor Cycles (Protective Helmets) Regulations 1998

MC(PH)R 1998 wrote:
every person driving or riding (otherwise than in a side-car) on a motor bicycle when on a road shall wear protective headgear.


That's it. No mention of the tariff for not doing so. If anyone can find one, by statute or case, I'd be most obliged.

Once again for luck: the police cannot "fine" you. They can issue a Penalty Notice, in essence offering to take a bribe in order not to pass the case to the CPS for prosecution. If you decline to bribe them, then it goes to the CPS. Given the nature of the "offence", it's not exactly going to the top of the pile and it could be months before it actually gets actions, if it gets actioned.

Now, if you're an obstinate bugger, you might be inclined to see them in court - further weeks or months down the line - and require the copper(s) to turn up and give evidence. You might also cheerfully tell the Magistrates, CPS and coppers that the token fine is not going to deter you, and you'll be seeing them again fairly regularly.

Do this a couple of times, and the local coppers or the CPS might just decide that they've got better things to do with their time than sit around in court waiting to be called to give evidence or carry out a prosecution for the same offence over and over again.

I'm just speculating here, but the court system is only intimidating if you've never been though it. Regular customers treat it just as the cost of doing business.

tl;dr version - laws only bother the law abiding.
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I disagree with compulsory gear. If I wan't to go ride my bike in just shorts and t-shirt then why should I not be allowed? Who are you to tell me otherwise?

And don't start with the costing the NHS money blah blah..... I pay National insurance for that reason.

If it was my choice, around town I would wear gloves over helmet.
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Personally I disagree with compulsory gear. If I wan't to go ride my bike in just shorts and t-shirt then why should I not be allowed? Who are you to tell me otherwise?

And don't start with the costing the NHS money blah blah..... I pay National insurance for that reason.

If it was my choice, around town I would wear gloves over helmet.


I'm not interested in how much it costs the NHS. I simply believe that it should be compulsory for the sake of safety. In the same way that wearing a helmet is, or a car driver having to wear a seatbelt is. I have seen too many people lose limbs or end up having major plastic surgery in bike accidents from wearing the wrong gear. Or even worse end up dead. Surely wearing shorts and t-shirts on a bike isn't worth that?
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

JFK wrote:
Maybe she doesn't get caught? I know if I came across someone not wearing a helmet, they would be getting a ticket, not sure if its a fine and points though.

You sound like a typical copper. No idea what the penalties are but you'll be happy to give people a ticket. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:

Religion? Laughing


I think I've come across such a case - if your religion requires you to wear a turban, you don't have to put a helmet on.

Eg:

https://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1792/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1792-48308.jpg
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't wear a helmet on short journeys..
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

kingley wrote:
I'm not interested in how much it costs the NHS. I simply believe that it should be compulsory for the sake of safety. In the same way that wearing a helmet is, or a car driver having to wear a seatbelt is. I have seen too many people lose limbs or end up having major plastic surgery in bike accidents from wearing the wrong gear. Or even worse end up dead. Surely wearing shorts and t-shirts on a bike isn't worth that?


Perhaps not in your opinion, or mine as it goes. Doesn't mean it is correct to impose my opinion on everybody else though.

Besides which, motorcycling is hardly the holy grail of safe motoring, IMO to start making laws enforcing the wearing of certain gear is opening it up to eventually ban the whole thing.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with c_dug that helmet laws shouldn't really be compulsory. If I want to go out on my bike in just my boxers then that's really my choice; not that I ever would do.

Though I actually like wearing a helmet. I can't say the amount of times I've been going down a national road and been thankful of my visor for splatting the huge flies rather than them ending up in my eyes/face! Laughing

I don't agree with that turban law either though. What makes biking any less dangerous for them than it is for us? Nothing. So why should the law change for them and not for us.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was reading a James May article about this recently.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/jamesmay/3128309/James-May-One-helmet-law-for-all.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/jamesmay/3173972/James-May-I-fought-the-law....html
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The turban exemption is of course ludicrous, offensive and discriminatory. Sadly, none of those are grounds for challenging the law. In case anyone is tempted to mention the ECHR, please take a moment to read it and note the very careful wording of Articles 9 and 14 to allow for selective favouritism.

By the way, mandating helmets for all car occupants would reduce KSIs more than making bikers wear them. I can't recall hearing any Private Member's Bills about that, but maybe a biking MP could be persuaded to try one. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would wear a crash hat even if they were not compulsory.

I do sometime wear no Jacket when it's really hot though. I haven't bought a summer jacket yet and I will for next year, but today, through London, I was baking but I wore my jacket and gloves until I got to Greenwich then I put it in the top box and resolved with myself that I will go no more than 30mph.
Yea, I know that can bring out the bone with an off though.

After I cooled down I put it back on. I really don't like riding without it but it was just a great day tbh Thumbs Up

Oh and kingsley, I am one of those "middle aged blokes" sorry mate, Wink

I don't do it often though and it is worrying without the protection.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worn shorts and tshirts a few times.... doesnt really bother me if its a short journey, wouldnt do motorways and spirited rides without some clothing though.

That said...I dont wear boots Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 11 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind the helmet law, it's definitely there for a reason. However, I don't think it's anyone's place to tell me what is and isn't okay to wear when I ride. I do occasionally ride in t-shirts and I am WELL AWARE of the risks involved. Likewise, I totally except responsibility for any injuries/scars or death that may occur from my actions.
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