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PostPosted: 22:01 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Right, so I failed my A-Levels. What now? Reply with quote

Right guys. Here it is. Ive spent the last year working on my AS levels and should be (this term) doing my A2's. Well, I got my results rather late (My school didnt post them to me Rolling Eyes ) and I got 2 D's and 2 U's. Now, im not trying to make excuses but it has been a tough year. I lost my Granddad last year which hit me quite hard and that threw me off a bit, my mum had a dickhead living with her who only moved out a couple months ago and things have just generally been pretty weird considering my parents split up only 15 months ago. Apart from this I just havent worked hard AT ALL on my a-levels. BIG MISTAKE!

SO, basically, I want to go to university to do Computing and Electronic engineering. I obviously dont have the grades to carry on next year and I dont really want to go back to my school as I dont like it and dont get on with many people there (teachers included). What are my options? Yes, collages are an option but none of them seem to offer A-levels in anything I want to do. For reference, I took Physics, Computing, Economics and Business Studies. Are there any alternatives to A-levels which are just as useful for getting into university? Any tips on where to go from here? I guess im going to have to re-take the year as I dont think I would pass if I were to just re-take the exams.

So guys and gals of BCF, I put it to you, What should I do next?
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uni's have rejected record numbers of people this year so there are plenty of people in your situation. You can either sign up to an National diploma / HNC / HND then go to uni from there (HNC / HND's tend to go into the 2nd year) or you can try and get onto a foundation degree.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a job, save some money, go in as a mature student when you reach 21(23?).

I cocked my AS's up, I moved out of home in October 2008, I was 18 and a half. I'm doing ok but I've only really started to get on my feet financially in the last month or two.

I have no interest in going into uni, to me it has never seemed worth it when in my experience it has always been who not what you know that counts. I currently work in retail which I have always viewed as a dead end job and wanted nothing more than to get out of, but at the moment I have the opportunity to go into Harrods or Selfridges on Oxford street so things are perking up for me, I'm not bad at this retail lark, and something with a little more earning potential might do me alright.

Any sort of work experience will be a bonus after your degree, so use the couple of years wisely Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Resit and graft this time, do not take any course with the suffix "studies".
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:26 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:11 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I study electronic & computer engineering at Leeds and from what I can tell, everyone who comes from an alternative route to A-levels struggle with the Maths. I managed to get on with just a C in A-level maths because I had an A in electronics at A-level, however I still found the maths hard. Spent LOTS of time in first year just doing the maths over and over until I got it.

If you want to do any form of engineering at university I highly recommend doing maths at A & AS level.

Try and find another college which does the courses you're interested in. And work hard at them this year.

Thats if you really want to go to university and work hard. It's going to £9,000 a year when you start Confused
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trust me, i feel your pain. i went to a college enrollement the other day and SCRAPED in. i literally mean they said. we can see you have potential(looking at older tests) but you are lazy and have a lack of interest for your subjects. i now have a 2 year course doing computing.which covers web design program design games development. at the end of it i should come out with 3 different a levels
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Right, so I failed my A-Levels. What now? Reply with quote

computid wrote:
Now, im not trying to make excuses


Then don't.

If you want to do computing and electronic engineer, do it. Pick a project and get it done. Build a portfolio of beautiful code and smart widgets. Whore yourself on will-code-for-dollah sites and see if you can compete with the Asian Horde. Get student membership to the BCS and start networking with the Pointy Hairs, or try to find some sort of Local Lunix Luser group and pretend to be interested in their stories about punch cards and Cray Blood.

Personally I don't give a stuff what qualifications the people I work with have or don't have. I only care if they can do the job. Find someone who thinks that you can, and you've got a foot in the door.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Right, so I failed my A-Levels. What now? Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
computid wrote:
Now, im not trying to make excuses


Then don't.

If you want to do computing and electronic engineer, do it. Pick a project and get it done. Build a portfolio of beautiful code and smart widgets. Whore yourself on will-code-for-dollah sites and see if you can compete with the Asian Horde. Get student membership to the BCS and start networking with the Pointy Hairs, or try to find some sort of Local Lunix Luser group and pretend to be interested in their stories about punch cards and Cray Blood.

Personally I don't give a stuff what qualifications the people I work with have or don't have. I only care if they can do the job. Find someone who thinks that you can, and you've got a foot in the door.


I already have a large network of contacts in the industry and I know how to get a foot in the door. The way to get a foot in the door is with a degree!

I think I may have just found a course im interested in Wink I will report back soon Smile
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 01 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't 4 A-levels a bit much?

Maybe things have changed since I went to school. You only needed 3 A-levels to get into vet school when I went in, and that was pretty much the hardest degree to get a place on. Only super-geeks took 4 A-levels (general studies doesn't count as a valid A-level).

This being the case. Drop business studies, try again. Work harder this time.

Some national certificates count for more than an A-level in terms of UCAS points and put the emphasis on coursework and continual asessment rather than relying on the final exam. Maybe this would suit you better? Worth looking into.

Or even a slight change of subject. I did badly in my physics higher and took technology higher the following year. Turns out technology was like applied physics and made a whole lot more sense to me. I pretty much walked it.
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PostPosted: 02:05 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took 3 A levels when I was in college.

At the end of the two years I had two D's in A2 and two U's in AS.

I'm doing third year uni next year.

I just scrapped in. Thank god for the welsh baccalauriate.
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mostly take 4 AS levels in your first year (not including general studies) and drop one in your second year, finishing with 3 A levels and 1 AS level. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlie wrote:
I study electronic & computer engineering at Leeds and from what I can tell, everyone who comes from an alternative route to A-levels struggle with the Maths. I managed to get on with just a C in A-level maths because I had an A in electronics at A-level, however I still found the maths hard. Spent LOTS of time in first year just doing the maths over and over until I got it.

I'd go further than that - I went to university with 3 grade As and still struggled with the maths on my Computer Science degree because in my A level I did stats rather than mechanics. Anything involving maths at university is hard. I wouldn't want to attempt an actual maths degree without double-maths at A level (I did - dropped it after 1 year). Something Computer-related, you'll probably be ok as long as you do pure & mechanics at A level.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What mechanical stuff was on a comp sci degree?
It's mostly stats, the whole field of AI is basically just stats. I sailed through it all no problem despite having no maths A-level and it being 5+ years since GCSE maths.
Then i went straight onto a PhD in mechanical engineering... THAT had some serious fucking maths in it. Jesus was it extreme. First lecture i went to was an Msc Advanced dynamics lecture, so i skipped the A levels and the Bsc and went straight into the masters Shocked Needless to say, it didn't go well.

Actually comp sci has some linear algebra in it if you go into graphics & games or computer vision.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a similar situation - screwed my A levels up (twice), worked for a couple years in the field I was interested in and then went off to uni once I was old enough to be a mature student.

Take a couple years to earn some cash, get some experience and the like. Try and get a job in the field you're interested in, even if it's admin work or for shit pay. Convince them your passionate about it and work your fucking ass off when you find a position. Shit, work for free for a while if you have to.

If you really can't bare to resit your A levels at your school then going into work for a bit is the only real choice aside from going to a college and spending two years re-doing A levels or just signing on for the rest of your life.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlie wrote:
Thats if you really want to go to university and work hard. It's going to £9,000 a year when you start Confused


It does not cost 9K..... Or anywhere near that.

You take a loan to pay for the course. Which you only have to pay back once you atart earning +20K.

I work with several people who have these loans now for the lower fee's. They are not even paying back £20 a month. Which at that rate is under 8K after 30 years.......

After 30 years its wiped clean.

Earn under 20K and you pay nowt.... Amazing how many never pay a penny of these loans back.

I think the whole rush to get a place this year, just show how thick the average uni enterant actually is, as its clear they have little understanding of how a simple thing such as a student loan works... Rolling Eyes

God help them when they get into the real world..... Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Right, so I failed my A-Levels. What now? Reply with quote

computid wrote:
I already have a large network of contacts in the industry


M'kay.


computid wrote:
and I know how to get a foot in the door. The way to get a foot in the door is with a degree!


M'kay.

If you invest 3 years in cultivating (real) contacts, you're far more likely to begin an interesting career than graduating with a 2.2 in Computing Gender Studies and then getting in the queue with everyone else.

After you've got your first job in the tech industry, your qualifications become fairly irrelevant. After the third job, you'll be moving up solely through personal contacts.

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PostPosted: 19:46 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Earn under 20K and you pay nowt....

Is that why people go to university? To get jobs that pay under 20k when they come out?
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Charlie wrote:
Thats if you really want to go to university and work hard. It's going to £9,000 a year when you start Confused


It does not cost 9K..... Or anywhere near that.

You take a loan to pay for the course. Which you only have to pay back once you atart earning +20K.

I work with several people who have these loans now for the lower fee's. They are not even paying back £20 a month. Which at that rate is under 8K after 30 years.......

After 30 years its wiped clean.

Earn under 20K and you pay nowt.... Amazing how many never pay a penny of these loans back.

I think the whole rush to get a place this year, just show how thick the average uni enterant actually is, as its clear they have little understanding of how a simple thing such as a student loan works... Rolling Eyes

God help them when they get into the real world..... Laughing


It is pointless to go to university and come out with a 2.2 degree and be in £36,000 of debt. Granted it is the best sort of debt you'll ever get but it's still a debt you'd be better without.

People should get into this sort of debt if they're definite it's the sort of thing they want to do not to pass 3 years while they decide what they want to do.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
iooi wrote:
Earn under 20K and you pay nowt....

Is that why people go to university? To get jobs that pay under 20k when they come out?


For me at least, it's £50 a month when earning over £15k.

Which I well intend to do once I leave. Not only to earn a decent pay but because without a degree, there is almost no way into the industry unless the boss is your dad. (Political Correctness, or your mum.)


And even with the debt, I'm very glad I've taken the route through University as it's definitely an experience I've loved since I've started.

£50 a month which I won't miss, in the future for *comfortable* living for 3 years now, to hopefully get me into the industry I've always wanted to work in, doing what I love.




*Comfortable used in the least possible sense of the word.


EDIT to what Charlie said.

People shouldn't go to University at all unless they're sure of their career path.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I left school with next to nothing. My old man made me go to night school until I had enough to get me into college. Got my BSc and became a surveyor. Stick at it mate Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 02 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey,
If i'm being honest i'd say uni is the biggest waste of time there is. You spend 3 years racking up large amounts of debt then come out with a qualification that means jack sh*t as you have no experience.

Its a catch 22; you can't get the job because you have no expereince but you have no expereince because they won't give you a job.

If i were you i would do a modern apprenticeship. Be a plumber, electrician, fabricator etc Don't waste your time with uni.

Thats where i went wrong. I went to uni to do computing. When i finished with great grades, top of my course, i just couldn't find a job. No one would give me a start. 4 years on things have changed that much my qualification means jack. If i had done an apprenticeship i would be time served now in a trade.

Although i'm now in a job i love and earn rather good money doing i only got it through 'Who i knew'. As has been said thats what its all about. If it hadn't been for someone putting a good word in for me i would still be at Morrisons on minimum wage working in there admin department.

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PostPosted: 02:09 - 03 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 05:22 - 03 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
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Earn under 20K and you pay nowt....

Is that why people go to university? To get jobs that pay under 20k when they come out?


I know a few who have this mentality.....

Uni to them was just another 3-5 years of not having to work. While having the ability to piss any money against the wall every week.....

You know to many money is not the driving force in their life.

Far better to go out and get a job and work your way up. By the time someone that has been to uni looks to get a job. You will be well set on a good wage and a well know quanity to your employer. Unlike that uni person who only has a bit of paper to say what they can do and are looking to earn ££££ as soon as they start...
This is the whole reason many employers have stopped taking in a yearly intake of grad's as allowing people to work their way up the company. Gives them people who actually know the trade/company, rather than someone who has not got a clue....
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