What next? Now MAG are joining in!

[dainesefreak]

https://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/motoring/news_and_features/story.jsp?story=519665

This is getting ridiculous even MAG are going all anti biker!! Surely the last thing we need is something like this adding fuel to the fire.

IMO MAG should have worded their opinions more carefully, an attack on any biker group only gives the anti-bike lobby more ammunition. I had considered joining MAG at various times but they aren't getting my sub now, talk about shooting ourselves in the foot!

[Laura]

Indeed what a sell out! Bikers are sloely turning on each other in my opinion perhaps some bikers are turning into older nova boys.
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[cliff]

That's obsurd! About 1% of bikers are posh toff businessmen. Theyr'e the ones in Ford Mondeo's that are killing us off!
I say we should join with the Cruiser/Harley riders. That'll show 'em.
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[JimboJ]

According to that report young riders are being replaced by middle aged men and they are the ones who are killing themselves. Perhaps I may see a decline in my insurance and see some more on top of theirs.

James
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[sv_cath]

Not wanting to play devil's advocate, but I do see where MAG are coming from - bike deaths have gone up and something does need to be done. There are a lot of people getting straight onto 1000cc bikes and killing themselves and giving the rest of us a bad reputation in the process.
We do need to help ourselves by supporting any ideas that make biking safer without restricting the amount of fun we can have!
Just my opinion....
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[cliff]

Quack. /me also ducks.
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[Bendy]

"many of the most spectacular pictures are taken with riders going very slowly."


Is MAG being worried that the BABs accidents and reputation will result in stricter laws being applied to all bikers any different to us complaining that ped bois who ride like twats push up our premiums?

Surely all niche groups of bikers would like to see the 'blame' foisted onto another group, so that when there's a crackdown on speeding/noise/fun/breathing they can claim that it's the fault of the BABs/ped bois/commuters/yoof/cruisers... ?

[cliff]

In my opinion, we are all on two wheels, and we and others should respect that fact and leave us the f*ck alone to do our own thing instead of f*cking about with us and turning us agaisnt each other. If I had it my way, all forms af transport bar Bike and planes would be chopped in for more bikes and planes. Rant over. Sorry. /me ducks one last time.
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[Bendy]

Unfortunately, 'our own thing' involves breaking the law, mostly. Whether or not you agree with that law is another matter.

As long as sportsbikes look fast and expensive, the riders will be targetted cos there's an assumption that the rider has the money to pay the fines and won't get a lot of his hairy arsed beardy mates round to cause trouble.

[dainesefreak]

[Adam_P]

I'm liking the fact that I ride a Yamaha and its classed as an 'up-market manufacturer' !!!

And does the new R1 really have 180bhp???
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[Luke_Retrofly]

Hi

[Mr C]

That was a horribly written atricle, packed with childish and naive assumptions and schoolyard allegory.

However, I must agree with the basic message and MAG are very much ON the side of the biker in this from what I can see.

It is ludicrous to suggest that someone who owned a 250 superdream 20 years ago can buy a modern sportsbike and have any hope of staying on it, the difference is that you can now fall off at 150mph instead of 65mph - that means fatalities in this group are on the increase

I would support a move for regular compulsory re-testing if it meant that the accident and fatality statistics were reduced and the govt would leave us alone in what we choose to ride

Remember we live in the worst nanny state in the world today and if we don't, won't or can't look after ourselves then some well meaning but ill informed politician will do it for us.

More rigorous training and stricter testing is a must for anyone to ride a modern sportsbike in my book.

Otherwise the option will be taken away - we may well be looking at the end of the superbikes in this country
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[JimboJ]

I do agree with you MR C although I can't seem them banning superbikes, the economy would suffer far too much! I don't know how many people would lose their jobs but it'd be loads. Anyway it's not going to happen.

James
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[GFK]

Load of crap if you ask me.

You should go past my local B&Q car park on a weekend evening. Its full of tossers with heavily modded cars, skidding around in circles, playing shit music too loud and racing each other on public roads. Its all just a cock-measuring contest.

I've never seen bikers behave like that (well, not often)

The only 'bikers' that I think are dangerous (if I were to generalise), are 16 year old 'ped boys. Kids shouldn't be allowed on the roads - nobody under 21 should be (I realise I'm going to piss off certain people here, but there it is).

[Danny]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if people want to push their new R1 to the limit and kill themselves thats their choice.
Suicide is legal in this country, whats the difference how you decide to commit it.

Not very politically correct but they can kiss my https://www.asdz68.dsl.pipex.com/smile/moon.gif.

[Danny]

[McJamweasel]

Sorry GFK but I have to disagree. Ever been to a big bike meet? You get people looning around outside, popping wheelies, doing knee down on the roundabouts and doing burn outs all over the shop. The only difference is that its 45 year old bank manager arseholes instead of 17 year old McDonalds crew arseholes.

Can I ask what makes you think that a 16 year old on a 500cc ped is more dangerous than an equally inexperianced 40 year old on a 150bhp R1?

Its daft. All new bikers should be restricted, just not to 33bhp. The DAS system is rubbish - 2 or 3 days on a 50bhp ER-5 does not prepare you for a 100bhp ZX-6R, never mind a 150bhp ZX-10R. I recently went through my DAS and I'm sure that had I not had 3 years riding experiance my ZX WOULD of caught me out by now.

Sort the licensing out. Sort training for people buying large capacity sportsbikes. Then you will see accident figures fall.
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[Mr C]

[hush]

Also agreed.

Experience has a lot to do with safe driving, and whilst as you say 33BHP is may too low for a restriction in certain circumstances, I would still like to see DAS lead to a restriction of at least 6 months to 100BHP. Maybe even a little less. Even if it means that I get limited after I get my licence.

[Danny]

[Kickstart]

Hi

There is a big thread about this on VisorDown with a few MAG reps posting, basically saying that the newspaper has done a hatchet job on the MAG statement.

[Mr C]