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Fowlersrs
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Tune ECU Reply with quote

Is anyone here using the piece of intelligent software to change they're ECU mapping on there bikes when fitting after market cans?

Reason I ask is I've just bolted on a blue flame tri oval to my triumph speed four and whilst it sounds great it makes it a bit snatchy at low revs, anyone done anything about this on there bikes? Experience a similar problem? I think it's all back pressure related and air/fuel ratios but I'm no pro so any advice would be great!!
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.tuneboy.com.au/
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two posts and already this thread is full of fail!

First off, the software is NOT intelligent. If it were, then there would be no capacity to make mistakes. This software can completely screw up your bike and must be used with care.

Secondly, Tuneboy is not the same as TuneECU. Tuneboy is australian, and very very expensive. TuneECU is french, and free.

You cannot easily use TuneECU to tweak map settings unless you know what you are doing. The only real way for the layman (especially one who does not have access to a dyno) to use it is to download pre-made maps from the web. Most are available on the TuneECU site. If there is not a blueflame can map for the Speed four, I'd be wary of choosing a random map and trying it as you have no clue whether it will be right or not. In actual fact, even if there IS a blueflame map listed on the tune ECU site for the same year Speed Four you have, you've got no way of proving that it will work...

By all means try it, but you need to be aware that you can potentially screw the bike up, especially if you don't check that the VIN number range is correct for the map you're using etc...

Good luck!
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris-red posted about this a while ago: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=222439

There are links to sites that have custom maps in that thread somewhere, but as marjay has said, you could royally fuck things up if you do it wrong.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got both tuneboy and tune ECU, both are very similar.
Except tuneboy will cost you £300 for the licence key and with the exception of having to buy a 16 pin VAG OBD cable off ebay for £6-£9, tune ECU is free. Also you can only use a tuneboy licence for 1 bike, Ad the licence is tied to the serial number of the bikes ECU, to use it on multiple bikes you have to purchase multiple licences but with tune ECU you can use it on any number of compatible bikes
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Two posts and already this thread is full of fail!

First off, the software is NOT intelligent. If it were, then there would be no capacity to make mistakes. This software can completely screw up your bike and must be used with care.

Secondly, Tuneboy is not the same as TuneECU. Tuneboy is australian, and very very expensive. TuneECU is french, and free.

You cannot easily use TuneECU to tweak map settings unless you know what you are doing. The only real way for the layman (especially one who does not have access to a dyno) to use it is to download pre-made maps from the web. Most are available on the TuneECU site. If there is not a blueflame can map for the Speed four, I'd be wary of choosing a random map and trying it as you have no clue whether it will be right or not. In actual fact, even if there IS a blueflame map listed on the tune ECU site for the same year Speed Four you have, you've got no way of proving that it will work...

By all means try it, but you need to be aware that you can potentially screw the bike up, especially if you don't check that the VIN number range is correct for the map you're using etc...

Good luck!


I see what your saying. It is indeed a bit of a lottery, I knew that the software was not intelligent in anyway and that screwing things up was easy and very possible.

What options are there for someone who doesn't have the confidence with this then? I take it that a rolling road setup place would be able to map it so that the bike was compatible with the exhaust and iron out niggles?! What sort of money should that cost?!
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tune ECU is probably the best thing that ever happened, as far as Triumphs are concerned anyway!!!!
It is exceptionally easy to use. It is reliable. It is free!!!
Triumph never seem to get their mapping 'right'. Once you get the hang of TuneECU you can see where the noise / emissions restrictions have been mapped in, Triumph have no option but to do this to pass the many tests in place around the world. The mapping in T-ECU frees you from these restrictions.
The ONLY advice I will give is that you download your original map before starting to play.
You would have to do something incredibly silly to 'screw up' your bike, short of dropping a nut into the intake trumpets its pretty much foolproof, (most of the good maps come from the Ausies... Make of that comment what you will).
BTW, put the latest Daytona map into an RS Sprint and feel the difference..........
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

jjdugen wrote:
Tune ECU is probably the best thing that ever happened, as far as Triumphs are concerned anyway!!!!
It is exceptionally easy to use. It is reliable. It is free!!!
Triumph never seem to get their mapping 'right'. Once you get the hang of TuneECU you can see where the noise / emissions restrictions have been mapped in, Triumph have no option but to do this to pass the many tests in place around the world. The mapping in T-ECU frees you from these restrictions.
The ONLY advice I will give is that you download your original map before starting to play.
You would have to do something incredibly silly to 'screw up' your bike, short of dropping a nut into the intake trumpets its pretty much foolproof, (most of the good maps come from the Ausies... Make of that comment what you will).
BTW, put the latest Daytona map into an RS Sprint and feel the difference..........


This is it, I'm not the sort of person who goes into things half hearted. If I'm gonna have a go I like to learn about the program and what the values do first, so I will be doing plenty of reading and speaking with others first. Obviously it's pretty much common sense to have your old map handy incase of problems.

What I would like to know is can we use tt600 maps on the S4 because of the similarities of the bike?
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

jjdugen wrote:

You would have to do something incredibly silly to 'screw up' your bike, short of dropping a nut into the intake trumpets its pretty much foolproof,


That is not true, and the reason I know it is not true is because I did it on my old 955i. I uploaded a map for the early Sagem ECU to the later Sagem ECU, and the bike stopped working altogether, and I couldn't upload a new map. I had to contact the TuneBoy guy in Australia, and he had to make me a special build of the code that would work with my ECU, and ignore the connection errors, to reset it to factory defaults. Without that support the bike would have been a huge paperweight.

Also, note all of the warnings on the site about connecting to the Tiger 800 etc with TuneECU. Those warnings are there for a reason.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

True enough about trying to mix and match between the ECU types... As I say, you would have to do something 'stupid' to screw up your bike.. (Make of THAT what you will). The web site makes that point quite clear, open and closed loop ECU's are two completely different beasts.

And... If the worst does happen, a replacement ECU off the 'Bay is hardly the end of the financial world.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triumph dealers charge £25-30 to load a new map for you
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

jjdugen wrote:
True enough about trying to mix and match between the ECU types... As I say, you would have to do something 'stupid' to screw up your bike.. (Make of THAT what you will). The web site makes that point quite clear, open and closed loop ECU's are two completely different beasts.

And... If the worst does happen, a replacement ECU off the 'Bay is hardly the end of the financial world.


Do u know if they changed the ECU type on the speed four much?
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triumph dealer maps come with all the factory restrictions... Go ahead and waste £30, with that you can buy an OBD2 lead off the Bay and have a night out with the change. (Well, you can have a night out in Manchester, not so sure about London).
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used it to disable the exhaust valve on a daytona 675 and update a map for the new can on my latest D675.
Dead easy to use, I'd stick with published maps rather than tweaking your current map. We upped the rev limit on a race bike by 500rpm once, and a couple of laps later the rod came out the front of the block! (Thats bad by the way Smile)

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PostPosted: 18:53 - 07 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used it to disable the exhaust valve on a daytona 675 and update a map for the new can on my latest D675.
Dead easy to use, I'd stick with published maps rather than tweaking your current map. We upped the rev limit on a race bike by 500rpm once, and a couple of laps later the rod came out the front of the block! (Thats bad by the way Smile)

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