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thepuma
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Centre stand, Side Stand.....when to use. Reply with quote

It's probably just me but, I tend to almost always use the centre stand when I park the bike. Not sure if its a newbie thing or what, but the bike just doesn't seem as stable on the side stand and I'm paranoid it'll drop.

The trouble with this habit I fear is that on the Mod1 you have to park up and put bike on stand, apparently BEFORE you get off? Is this a fail if you get off and then apply centre stand?
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

why even risk getting off the bike without the side stand down and then try to wrestle it on to the centre stand?

Kick stand down>lean bike over> get off.

It's not going to fall over unless the stand is fucked or the ground is uneven/stand sinks in.

which on the Mod1 test pan, it won't be.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't imagine it really being a problem, the CG125 I did my CBT on didn't have a side stand (only a centre stand).
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: Centre stand, Side Stand.....when to use. Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:

The trouble with this habit I fear is that on the Mod1 you have to park up and put bike on stand, apparently BEFORE you get off? Is this a fail if you get off and then apply centre stand?


I wouldn't mind watching you put the bike on the centre stand without getting off. If anything the examiner's face will be priceless.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked my instructor when I was doing my mod 1 last friday which stand he would like me to use, and he said whichever I feel most comfortable with, so I did the side stand. If you've got one, use it for this, one less thing to worry about.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only ever use the centre stand when cleaning the bike or doing some thing with the rear wheel.

Whenever its parked its the side stand now after being knocked over a couple of times in central lindon.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: Centre stand, Side Stand.....when to use. Reply with quote

metalangel wrote:
thepuma wrote:

The trouble with this habit I fear is that on the Mod1 you have to park up and put bike on stand, apparently BEFORE you get off? Is this a fail if you get off and then apply centre stand?


I wouldn't mind watching you put the bike on the centre stand without getting off. If anything the examiner's face will be priceless.


I always do, but i'm tall, much easier than doing it when not on the bike you know Wink
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 125 I did my test on had a sprung side stand, (so wouldn't stay down like most bikes) and this, added to the fact it didn't have a little kick down peg ( or whatever the correct term is) I got off the bike, then put the stand down. I imagine you would be fine unless you wobbled while doing it.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would put it on the center stand on flat ground and side stand on hills.

I would probably just be too lazy to ever use the center stand if i actually had one though Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been many years since I owned a bike with a centre stand. Cool
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Centre stand is for back wheel stuff and chain and sprockets. Thats about it.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to be all like "Centre stand is the shizzle", but now I'm all like "Kick stand be the word."
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

janner_10 wrote:
Centre stand is for back wheel stuff and chain and sprockets. Thats about it.


Lies.

I also use it to take the front wheel off, placing a block of wood under the forks to stop the bike tipping. Laughing

I'm shocking at putting a bike on centre stand. I could never use it in public for the sheer embarassment of having to make several attempts at it. Side stand is much easier and less effort! Smile
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use both regularly, if you have a side stand then for the purposes of mod1 etc, use it. After that use whatever you want.


I use side stand when parking etc, centre stand for maintenance. I also tend to use the centre stand for refuelling if I have to get off the bike to go pay for fuel anyway, means I don't risk spilling petrol on my bean bag.
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the back yard mine is always on the center stand.So i can check the oil in the sight glass when i take the cover off Very Happy Otherwise side stand is used Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 09 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I miss the luxury of a centrestand! My 600F didn't have one when I got it, so I got one off eBay. Best £20 I ever spent on it!
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PostPosted: 07:17 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
I'm shocking at putting a bike on centre stand. I could never use it in public for the sheer embarassment of having to make several attempts at it. Side stand is much easier and less effort! Smile


CB500 and Fazer went happily onto their centre stands. I managed to get the Bandit 650 courtesy bike onto its centre stand precisely once. Just did NOT want to fucking go up on it.
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get how anyone struggles with a centrestand tbh Shocked

Had more trouble with my side stand
Put bike on side stand
Get off
Bike starts to tip because the side stand has somehow retracted

Gotta be careful about the side stand, especially on hills n shit
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
I don't get how anyone struggles with a centrestand tbh Shocked


Shit technique.


There is no other reason.
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three points of contact is always more secure. Especially if spaced as a triangle (research Wellington bomber for more info on the strength of triangles, e.g. here and here).

The centre stand would be more unstable. I have had a bike topple of centre stand due to wind. However, in some circumstances more appropriate to use. Maintenance is the classic but also for storage (less space, more upright).
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Alpha-9 wrote:
I don't get how anyone struggles with a centrestand tbh Shocked


Shit technique.


There is no other reason.


Yep, that's my problem. Never really used one so I don't really have good technique.

I'm getting slightly better at it now I've done it a couple of times for maintenance in my shed. Got it on first try last week! (Albeit, I rocked it like 6 times to give it momentum before going for it.) Smile

It didn't half make me feel rubbish when going to the IOW with Paddy and MrJoolz over Easter when a guy came with a big bike, fully laden with luggage, and got the bike effortlessly on the centre stand. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
I don't get how anyone struggles with a centrestand tbh Shocked


You dont half spout some shite! Once you've got your licence and a bike that weighs more than your girlfriend, you may be entitled to comment on how easy it is or is not to get a bike on its centrestand.

It is about technique and I guarantee you will not get a Pan European or similar on its centrestand whilst sitting on it.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cunnington wrote:
...It is about technique and I guarantee you will not get a Pan European or similar on its centrestand whilst sitting on it.

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The Pan has an extra pull out handle to assist you. Now that's good design.

If you're lucky enough to afford/want something like the BMW K1200LT it does come with an automatic centre stand (I think dropped for the 1600). So you can sit on the bike. Apology for being picky!
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
Yep, that's my problem. Never really used one so I don't really have good technique.



Sounds like you try to lift the bike when you do it, you don't need to.


Pick a point on the subframe that is above the foothold for the centre stand - imagine a rubber band is stretched between the hand and foot hold.

Try to stretch that band by pushing down with your foot and and pulling with your hand - pull and push in the opposite directions, but in the same plane. - i.e. stretch the rubber band.

Should make it easier as you aren't trying to lift the bike, just increase the space between the foot hold and hand hold and the bike will go onto the stand.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 10 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Sounds like you try to lift the bike when you do it, you don't need to.


I do slightly. That's exactly what I tried to do on the CBT.

What I currently do on the GS500 is:
- stand left of the bike
- right foot on centre stand, pressing down
- right hand gripping the rear grab rail
- left hand gripping the handlebars, which are turned fully left
- rock the bike back and forth a little
- on one of the backwards rocks, pull the left handlebar towards me harshly and pull and lift the rear grab rail

From your description, sounds like my technique is quite far off!

Will watch some instructional YouTube videos when I'm back off holiday; when I have internet faster than a snail chasing a tortoise.
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