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PostPosted: 21:19 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: New guy with a size question. 400 or 600cc? Reply with quote

Hi there. My names Miles im 24 and from Northamptonshire. Planning to get a bike fairly soon but not 100% sure what to go for.

I used to have a 50cc moped when i was 16 and have been on a few geared bikes from 125 2stroke to 400cc 4 strokes so im not a complete noob but havent riden any bikes for about 3 years.

Just after advice what would be a half decent starter bike, something that is still fairly quick but itsnt going to get me killed within a week lol. I weigh 92kgs and 6 foot tall.

I was looking at 600cc gsxr as suzuki's are my favourite but then came across some older 400cc like the hondas and kawasaki and even a faew late 80's 400 gsxr.

Would what you guys suggest?

And if anyone fancies a swap with a mx5 or a r33 drift skyline let me know lol

Miles
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Miles,

Can I ask 2 questions:

1. Budget?

2. Bikes use? commuting, hooning, touring etc etc
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Nick,

Around 1500-1800. pref less so when i get it i can give it a major service,brakes,tyres etc

commuting every so often. 40 miles around trip to work and home and then just for fun really. Maybe a track day at some point.

thanks for the reply
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, that very much depends on your self restraint. Even a 400 will get to license losing speeds faster than either of your cars, I'm guessing.

What do you want from your bike, apart from a non-murderous one? Do you want to tour, commute, move on to trackdays in future?

Plenty of people have started with 600s and haven't died. Myself included, despite my best efforts. I saved the full on sportsbike for my second bike though Wink
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

umm i dont own much self restraint unfortunatly Laughing

The nissan is just over 400bhp when it works and the mx5 about 23bhp lol

Mainly as i said in the other post. Occasional commute to work but mainly just for fun and when im comfident some track days hopefully.

Going to get some insurance quotes on some 400s and some 600's to see if theres much difference.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

miles wrote:
umm i dont own much self restraint unfortunatly Laughing

Hahahaha, lol.

Seen the results of a 30mph off?

Still lolling?

There's no correct answer to your original question. It's not the bike that'll kill you, it's your right wrist.

Sorry, not feeling the lulz tonight.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

seen it? ive fucking felt it mate.

Got knocked of my scooter when i was 16. Coming home about 10pm on a sat night from cricket, A women pulled out of a petrol station without her lights on and some how manged to hit my tiny moped side on.

Got up on the other side of the road. Thought i was ok. Took my gloves off and my little finger on my left hand was hanging of! Broke it in 2 places and disolated it. Had to have 2 operations and its still fucked!!

What would you guys recommed then. 400 or 600 and which one?

Miles

EDIT: HOLY SHIT!!! i didnt click on the link before i posted. That makes my little pinky look like a paper cut compared to that
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Miles, welcome to BCF......You ain't too far from my neck of the woods.

I'd say go for a 600, alot of 400's seem to be imports which will possibly add to your insurance & parts availability might be an issue. With a UK 600 parts and insurance is straight forward (should be anyway Smile )

I recently got a Yamaha 600 Thundercat;

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/dungbug/Thundercat.jpg

It seems to be a good commuter and is more than happy to get up to speed when you give it the berries. Mr. Green These can be found for around a grand which would leave you with cash over. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 22 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

go to a dealership and sit on a few different bikes in the range your looking at (400 - 600)

see which style and size fits you best.

as best i can tell (having done this myself) finding a "big bike" is kind of like finding a jacket.

you want one that fits well, suits your personallity (or to your taste) isnt to restrictive but doesnt make you stand out like a sore thumb (or in your case, sore pinky) and generally goes well.

so translate that to bike

fits well: riding possition, size and weight
suits you: color, faired, half faired, no fairing, your ability to control
restrictive: gives you the speed you want but not out of your handling range
sore pinky: more in terms of catching the cops attention so again with the speed, something you can be responsible and safe on.

theres no point going for a sports style if you where to have back issues and need a sitting up possition like a commuter.

no point getting a bright yellow bike if you hate yellow ect ect

thats the advice i was given by an older, more experienced rider the other day while standing outside chatting.
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PostPosted: 01:40 - 22 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

First question.... do you actually have a full licence yet?
If not, makes much else rather irrelevent.

However, what we are looking at here is not a question if size but style.

Your looking at sports-bikes.

And you are essentially a newb.

Personally, I'd suggest you go look out a full-faired SV650 or GS500,maybe a GPz500s.

Two cylinders, similar style, more all round useability, less focused on shear fast, they have a softer margin between 'god this feels good' to 'Oh FUCK this hurts', in which you get time to actually think "WHAT D'FUCK, DIZ ent RIGHT!" and maybe do something about it.

problem with the 600's is that ALl they tend to do is 'fast', and they make it Oh-So easy.... and egg you on to go faster, making youbelieve you really CAN handle it...... until you find out VERY suddenly..... you cant.

twins will actually give you more of that 'in the margins, riding on the ragged edge' sensation, and probably give you more all round riding satisfaction, while keeping you away from that hard edge between working for you and against you, and in all likihood, giving you more 'feed-back' giving you clues about what the bike is doing in the margin, and how to 'cope' with it, so if you progress to a sport-four, where that margin IS that much tighter, you are more likely to be able to recognise the clues and do something about them.... and apreciate what the bike is doing for you better, and get more out of it.

Stepping straight on a sport-four, NOT the best thing to do.

400's? Personally I say avoid as they are a mine-field of old and imported non-uk bikes, pampered over-priced sunny day toys and bargain basement kiddie-go-kwik on a shoe-string thrape-machines.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 22 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much as Mikes' advice is correct.

I wish I brought my CBR straight after passing my test. Does pretty much everything you describe.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 22 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply's guys.

Are there many dealers that will do these types of bikes?

I dont mind where it is as i will travel anywhere. I read one in fast bike today but cant remember the name as its at work. I only brought it as it had a review of a zxr 400 in it.

I dont really like the v twins if im honnest and want a full faired bike.

And nope i havent got my full license yet. Booking my theory as soon as i get paid. Then will prob take a das.

Sound like a good idea?

Going to get some insurance prices now.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 22 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

400s are old and knackered, except the ones which arent, which are expensive

you can get a 2001 triumph tt600 for less than £1000 on ebay

I got a 600 after my rs125, because I wanted a decent step up in power, but in truth I now realise that a 500 may have been a good idea if I had known about slipping the clutch for extra acceleration.

I didnt so they felt a bit underpowered.

When I had to retake my test on one, after I had got into slipping the clutch on a regular basis, I realised they are actually pretty speedy and certainly fine for around town, possibly not so much fun on weekend rides or the motorway.

with a sports 600 you do get a lot of bike for your money though, decent brakes and suspension and often not much more than bikes that would have been half the price when new

however fully faired is easily damaged each and every time you drop it
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 23 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

miles wrote:
I dont really like the v twins if im honnest and want a full faired bike.

And nope i havent got my full license yet. Booking my theory as soon as i get paid. Then will prob take a das.

Sound like a good idea?


No.

You have a plan to become a statistic.

DAS panders to the impatient, offering a full licence via a crash-course, giving full licence and too often a huge over-confidence in competence that 600 sports only amplify, delivering easy 'fast' and little more, making you believe you really are some kind of riding godd mastering the beast every one says will kill you....... until it DOES.

25% of motoring fetalities on UK roads are motorcyclists, and about 90% of them are Post DAS Newbies on 600 sports bikes.......

See WHY its a plan to become a stat?

As said, GS500 isn't a V-Twin its a paralel twin. So is the GPz500S. And all three have full-faired variants if that's the style you like.

Even if they aren't 'quite' the 'full-on' fasion statement that fulfils your sense of asthetics; its a small sacrifice for a season or so to get them early miles in and not head straight into the biggest danger-zone on the UK Roads, all for the sake of a bit of ego.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 23 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
miles wrote:
I dont really like the v twins if im honnest and want a full faired bike.

And nope i havent got my full license yet. Booking my theory as soon as i get paid. Then will prob take a das.

Sound like a good idea?


No.

You have a plan to become a statistic.

DAS panders to the impatient, offering a full licence via a crash-course, giving full licence and too often a huge over-confidence in competence that 600 sports only amplify, delivering easy 'fast' and little more, making you believe you really are some kind of riding godd mastering the beast every one says will kill you....... until it DOES.

25% of motoring fetalities on UK roads are motorcyclists, and about 90% of them are Post DAS Newbies on 600 sports bikes.......

See WHY its a plan to become a stat?

As said, GS500 isn't a V-Twin its a paralel twin. So is the GPz500S. And all three have full-faired variants if that's the style you like.

Even if they aren't 'quite' the 'full-on' fasion statement that fulfils your sense of asthetics; its a small sacrifice for a season or so to get them early miles in and not head straight into the biggest danger-zone on the UK Roads, all for the sake of a bit of ego.


Bollocks. Back that up with statistics please, there is no way 600 riding DAS newbies make up 22.5% of all UK road fatalities.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 23 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
You have a plan to become a statistic.


Do one.


miles.

You'll probably be fine, Mike tends to think all bikers should use their 125s to get around and learn about the road.

You probably know from your car, if you take the piss, it will bite you in the arse, correct?
Same rules apply on a bike.

If I was going into a corner on the bike, leant over and opened the throttle loads, chances are, you are going to meet tarmac.
Same with your car, go round a roundabout at 20 in 2nd, then slam your foot to the floor whilst your wheels are turned. Not nice.

DAS will be fine as long as you learn you can beat anything (within reason) on the road with something like a 600cc sports. You will have to learn how to ride it though, its not a walk in the park to just get a bike and race other things.

There are some bikes that are just ballistic missiles, the GSXR1000 K6 for example, with 1st gear doing over 100mph and on to a top speed of 186mph+ Laughing

A 600 can probably be good for around 150mph maybe 160 with the newer ones. Not bad for circa 110hp.

You'll soon realise how lame your car is, I did. It was sold a while ago and that was silly power, got shown up by a fair few bikes Thumbs Up

Get DAS, look for a nice tidy 600cc. If you was looking for revvy sports look a likes, Honda CBR600FS / 600RR, Yamaha Thundercat/R6, Suzuki GSXR600, Kawasaki ZX6R, Triumph TT600/Daytona 600.

Plenty of other choices with full fairing, but you can take a look on ebay and see what is on offer Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 23 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:
You have a plan to become a statistic.


Do one.


miles.

You'll probably be fine, Mike tends to think all bikers should use their 125s to get around and learn about the road.

You probably know from your car, if you take the piss, it will bite you in the arse, correct?
Same rules apply on a bike.

If I was going into a corner on the bike, leant over and opened the throttle loads, chances are, you are going to meet tarmac.
Same with your car, go round a roundabout at 20 in 2nd, then slam your foot to the floor whilst your wheels are turned. Not nice.

DAS will be fine as long as you learn you can beat anything (within reason) on the road with something like a 600cc sports. You will have to learn how to ride it though, its not a walk in the park to just get a bike and race other things.

There are some bikes that are just ballistic missiles, the GSXR1000 K6 for example, with 1st gear doing over 100mph and on to a top speed of 186mph+ Laughing

A 600 can probably be good for around 150mph maybe 160 with the newer ones. Not bad for circa 110hp.

You'll soon realise how lame your car is, I did. It was sold a while ago and that was silly power, got shown up by a fair few bikes Thumbs Up

Get DAS, look for a nice tidy 600cc. If you was looking for revvy sports look a likes, Honda CBR600FS / 600RR, Yamaha Thundercat/R6, Suzuki GSXR600, Kawasaki ZX6R, Triumph TT600/Daytona 600.

Plenty of other choices with full fairing, but you can take a look on ebay and see what is on offer Thumbs Up


Thank you for a helpful post mate Thumbs Up

But to be honest when the back end steps out on my car i have a big Very Happy Drifting is my main hobby but fancy some 2 wheel action.

Just about to order a helmet and gloves to get me on the way Smile

Cheers guys
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 23 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got a quote on mcn for a 98 gsxr.

25 years old
Full license ( i know i havent got one yet )
0 NCB
£300 excess
TPFT
Garaged at night

£390 one off payment or 464 if spread over the year thats with bikesure.

FUCKING AWESOME Mr. Green Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

miles wrote:
Just got a quote on mcn for a 98 gsxr.

25 years old
Full license ( i know i havent got one yet )
0 NCB
£300 excess
TPFT
Garaged at night

£390 one off payment or 464 if spread over the year thats with bikesure.

FUCKING AWESOME Mr. Green Mr. Green


Sounds reasonably priced, just keep in mind when you pass that you've only passed the test.......Doesn't mean you can 'ride'. I'm still taking things easy with the Cat, she's capable of a lot more but it'll keep until I build up ability. Best of luck with the DAS. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over the years I've had both 400's and 600's, as previously stated either can kill you along with crossing the road. You'll have to use restraint what ever you ride but for your sort of size, money and practicality I would say the 600 would be the better choice. I don't take anything for granted on the road as I think if you treat everybody as an idiot and are going to do the worst, then if they don't it's the better way of getting shocked. That isn't to say everyone is an idiot but treat them as one, I know that it could be considered as the glass half empty but it's got to be prevention is better than cure.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
25% of motoring fetalities on UK roads are motorcyclists, and about 90% of them are Post DAS Newbies on 600 sports bikes.......


What you should do, is buy my GSXR600 SRAD, and prove Tef wrong Wink

(in all seriousness - personally i'd go for an SV650, quick enough to have fun on, great bike to learn on but not quite as easy to kill yourself on)
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 24 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice on bikes has already been given but I did something similar to your plan.

I spent some time on a 125 then did DAS and hopped on to a 600 sports straight away, currently on a k6 gixer 600 and see no problem with doing that at all. The bike will only go as fast as you want and will very quickly teach you your limits. There is no "dark art" of riding sports bikes, they lay down the power differently but there is no reason why you shouldn't go straight on to one.

However make sure you consider all of your options! Look at fazers/bandits/hornets too as they are newbie friendly and things like boxers can be uncomfortable to ride if you aren't used to the hunched over position. Also, don't buy a bike until you have passed your tests! Nothing as depressing as seeing your shiny toy sitting around while you wait for a new test date.
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