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Aperf
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: South African politics (aka 'racism') Reply with quote
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I guess you dont want to use one of my replies.

Here we only have attended service, so the dismount issue is mute.

But about the lid. If I visit friends who live in security estates, invariably the black security guards asks me for ID. I just say, Im a white man, I am not here to steal. It should be me asking you for a dompas (the pass blacks had to carry to prove they had business in white areas to stop crime). Must i steal TVs on my bike? Your Black president says i have a right to freedom of movement, and cannot be asked for ID without probable cause. Have you had many Break and Enters by white men on bikes to make me a possible suspect? Nou maak die hek oop Houtkop.

How many people on bikes have robbed petrol stations in the UK? How many come in cages? Suspect the cagers


I love your posts, they're from a different world. Youre a character out of Tom Sharps Riotous Assembly, its like you've stepped out of a time machine Very Happy

Its interesting just how different the pc culture evidently is in SA compared to here Smile
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
apexperf wrote:

Its interesting just how different the pc culture evidently is in SA compared to here Smile

Not sure it is massively.

There are plenty of people who think similarly in the UK.
Some who are happy to talk that way in public too. Though a lot more appreciate that it's not considered very nice, so hold their tongue until they're at least in a more private setting.

I was born in Botswana rather than a better hospital in South Africa because my parents didn't want me to be associated with people such as Kradmelder.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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apexperf wrote:

Its interesting just how different the pc culture evidently is in SA compared to here Smile

Not sure it is massively.

There are plenty of people who think similarly in the UK.
Some who are happy to talk that way in public too. Though a lot more appreciate that it's not considered very nice, so hold their tongue until they're at least in a more private setting.

I was born in Botswana rather than a better hospital in South Africa because my parents didn't want me to be associated with people such as Kradmelder.


Or maybe, since I assume you are over 16, a trip to apartheid SA would not look good in your passport? Nor would a birth there? It would block much of your travel. Self interest is always well hidden under moralising.

Your parents figured a birth in SA would not look good in darkie travels., for you or for them. Oh please.

This is of course assuming your family is all white.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kradmelder wrote:

Or maybe, since I assume you are over 16, a trip to apartheid SA would not look good in your passport? Nor would a birth there? It would block much of your travel. Self interest is always well hidden under moralising.

Your parents figured a birth in SA would not look good in darkie travels., for you or for them. Oh please.

This is of course assuming your family is all white.

Or just decent people. But then I guess you don't meet too many of those?
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh yes, that was the main part of my "not being associated with people such as...".
There was a good reason why other countries didn't like it.
The attitudes you're display here are that reason, pretty much.

Don't think it'd be a massive issue these days - but still happy that I don't have an SA passport and place of birth.
Would like to get a Botswana passport some time, if wanting to travel through Iran etc, could be useful.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
apexperf wrote:

Its interesting just how different the pc culture evidently is in SA compared to here Smile

Not sure it is massively.

There are plenty of people who think similarly in the UK.
Some who are happy to talk that way in public too. Though a lot more appreciate that it's not considered very nice, so hold their tongue until they're at least in a more private setting.

I was born in Botswana rather than a better hospital in South Africa because my parents didn't want me to be associated with people such as Kradmelder.


Its not just the unembarrassed public voicing of the opinion but the hints at how society works in SA. A pass for black people to be allowed in a white area? The normality of gated communities.

The apparently clear divide between colour.

I'm taking it as read that Kradmelders view is one commonly held in SA as is the outspoken voicing of the opinion?

How deep is that divide? Am I right to assume that you must be white to have had the option of a better hospital in SA? Is the segregation that rife?

Or is Kradmelder one of a kind and not at all representative?

Im genuinely interested Smile

Kradmelder wrote:
Or maybe, since I assume you are over 16, a trip to apartheid SA would not look good in your passport? Nor would a birth there? It would block much of your travel. Self interest is always well hidden under moralising.

Your parents figured a birth in SA would not look good in darkie travels., for you or for them. Oh please.

This is of course assuming your family is all white.


Why wouldn't it look good to be seen to travel to SA, not look good to whom? Who cares?

Why would it look bad to be born there?

Why would it limit your travel opportunities?
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Its not just the unembarrassed public voicing of the opinion but the hints at how society works in SA. A pass for black people to be allowed in a white area? The normality of gated communities.

The apparently clear divide between colour.

I'm taking it as read that Kradmelders view is one commonly held in SA as is the outspoken voicing of the opinion?

How deep is that divide? Am I right to assume that you must be white to have had the option of a better hospital in SA? Is the segregation that rife?

Or is Kradmelder one of a kind and not at all representative?

Im genuinely interested Smile

Don't forget though, he's also an anti-semite and misogynist Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
apexperf wrote:
G wrote:

There are plenty of people who think similarly in the UK.
Some who are happy to talk that way in public too. Though a lot more appreciate that it's not considered very nice, so hold their tongue until they're at least in a more private setting.

I was born in Botswana rather than a better hospital in South Africa because my parents didn't want me to be associated with people such as Kradmelder.


Its not just the unembarrassed public voicing of the opinion but the hints at how society works in SA. A pass for black people to be allowed in a white area? The normality of gated communities.

The apparently clear divide between colour.

I'm taking it as read that Kradmelders view is one commonly held in SA as is the outspoken voicing of the opinion?

How deep is that divide? Am I right to assume that you must be white to have had the option of a better hospital in SA? Is the segregation that rife?

Or is Kradmelder one of a kind and not at all representative?

Im genuinely interested Smile

Kradmelder wrote:
Or maybe, since I assume you are over 16, a trip to apartheid SA would not look good in your passport? Nor would a birth there? It would block much of your travel. Self interest is always well hidden under moralising.

Your parents figured a birth in SA would not look good in darkie travels., for you or for them. Oh please.

This is of course assuming your family is all white.


Why wouldn't it look good to be seen to travel to SA, not look good to whom? Who cares?

Why would it look bad to be born there?

Why would it limit your travel opportunities?


At the time his parents figured being born in SA would make him a pariah, so he hides it behind moralising. At the time an SA stamp in your passport blocked you from many countries. So smell the BS.

Blacks can walk freely in white areas, even if they dont live there and are just there to steal. But a white man in a white area gets asked for ID? Legally, as part of a security company, I cannot ask a Black for ID, just for walking in a white area while black. I have to have a reported crime which the person fits the description. Yet a darkie can ask me for ID?
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
work it out. Wife to hubby. There are far better doctors and hospitals in SA to look after our child. Oh no dear, we cant have our kid brought into this world by nasty apartheid doctors, with racist white babies.
Or is it more likely. Dear, if we go to SA, we have SA stamps in our passport, and our child is stigmatised for life by being born there. The risk of having the child here is far less for the baby and ourselves.he will never be able to get a visa anywhere, and our future is jeopardised.



At the time it was full sanctions. Which would you choose and for what reason.

Now to hide behind I would prefer to risk my kid for hatred of apartheid is ,well......
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
While I'm criticising Kradmelder, sadly it makes sense to discriminate on such grounds.

Plenty of places in the UK need "a pass".
Plenty you'll get in without if security etc knows you. Often be blagged if you walk in with the right uniform regardless.

There's plenty of other countries where there's segregation on such levels, not necessarily on colour, but on rich and poor and the like. Certainly on religion too.
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G wrote:
While I'm criticising Kradmelder, sadly it makes sense to discriminate on such grounds.

Plenty of places in the UK need "a pass".
Plenty you'll get in without if security etc knows you. Often be blagged if you walk in with the right uniform regardless.

There's plenty of other countries where there's segregation on such levels, not necessarily on colour, but on rich and poor and the like. Certainly on religion too.


It is exactly like that. A darkie can walk in a white area perfectly safe. Beacuse whites ensure his security. But can I walk in a black area and be safe? I would be robbed and killed. Ask amy biehl or any one who went ther withour organising. So who exactly is discriminated against?

Why is he in a white area? To steal of course. what other business does he have there? Why am I in a black area? Because I got stuck there against my will, for work to benefit black people. Beacuse they cannot sort themselves out and always need whitey to sort out their shit.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kradmelder wrote:
G wrote:
While I'm criticising Kradmelder, sadly it makes sense to discriminate on such grounds.

Plenty of places in the UK need "a pass".
Plenty you'll get in without if security etc knows you. Often be blagged if you walk in with the right uniform regardless.

There's plenty of other countries where there's segregation on such levels, not necessarily on colour, but on rich and poor and the like. Certainly on religion too.


It is exactly like that. A darkie can walk in a white area perfectly safe. Beacuse whites ensure his security. But can I walk in a black area and be safe? I would be robbed and killed. Ask amy biehl or any one who went ther withour organising. So who exactly is discriminated against?

Why is he in a white area? To steal of course. what other business does he have there? Why am I in a black area? Because I got stuck there against my will, for work to benefit black people. Beacuse they cannot sort themselves out and always need whitey to sort out their shit.


Do you live in a gated community?
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 29 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
apexperf wrote:
Kradmelder wrote:

It is exactly like that. A darkie can walk in a white area perfectly safe. Beacuse whites ensure his security. But can I walk in a black area and be safe? I would be robbed and killed. Ask amy biehl or any one who went ther withour organising. So who exactly is discriminated against?

Why is he in a white area? To steal of course. what other business does he have there? Why am I in a black area? Because I got stuck there against my will, for work to benefit black people. Beacuse they cannot sort themselves out and always need whitey to sort out their shit.


Do you live in a gated community?


no. why must I live in a prison because of darkie criminals? we patrol our streets. Every white man with militray service does a shift. And it is safe.
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Sounds lovely. You must be very proud of what the white man has built a former third-world country into.

well lets wait and see what the 3rd world builds the UK into.

So far it is:

Riots and looting, for example 2011
ban pork from schools
mosques in airports
bombings and terrorism
race problems
white flight
coloured kids from single mothers

did I forget any?

i hope liberal enjoy the rainbow nation multiculti world they want. Im sure the their ancestors will be proud if their descendents are choclate brown
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no. why must I live in a prison because of darkie criminals? we patrol our streets. Every white man with militray service does a shift. And it is safe.


A locally organised patrol? What sort of area does your group patrol, is it a town that everyone involved in or an area within a larger urban area?

You say patrol against darkie criminals, there must still be a significant number of white burglars and thieves?

Do you patrol with weapons and if so what?

Sorry for all the questions, life in other countries interests me when it differs from the Uk to any real degree Smile
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Sounds lovely. You must be very proud of what the white man has built a former third-world country into.

well lets wait and see what the 3rd world builds the UK into.

So far it is:

Riots and looting, for example 2011
ban pork from schools
mosques in airports
bombings and terrorism
race problems
white flight
coloured kids from single mothers

did I forget any?

i hope liberal enjoy the rainbow nation multiculti world they want.


You had riots this year.
Not true. The council involved in that story (Tower Hamlets) got it rescinded.
Even if there are mosques in airports there are certainly chapels and neither is any less ridiculous in my eyes.
You have had more mainland terrorist attacks and bombings than we have - including our Christian on Christian IRA attacks.
Race problems? You're a walking, talking race problem.
White flight? 20% of white South Africans have left SA since 1995.
Not sure why mixed race children represent a problem?
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Kradmelder wrote:
no. why must I live in a prison because of darkie criminals? we patrol our streets. Every white man with militray service does a shift. And it is safe.


A locally organised patrol? What sort of area does your group patrol, is it a town that everyone involved in or an area within a larger urban area?

You say patrol against darkie criminals, there must still be a significant number of white burglars and thieves?

Do you patrol with weapons and if so what?

Sorry for all the questions, life in other countries interests me when it differs from the Uk to any real degree Smile


we formed a security company which is a security police. with all the legal rights as such. sams as ADT, chubb, and any other security firm. you need over 80% of homes to agree to it. The same requirements for regular firearms proficiency testing.

There are no white thieves. We have legal rights to armed response, same as any police official, with the proviso we can only detain suspects for 4 hrs before handing them over to state police. This means they are released by their 'brothers'.
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Is it just me, or does anyone else find the irony of a white man complaining about the presence of 'darkies' in Africa to be really quite delicious?

Kradmelder - has it ever occurred to you that you're living in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Here's a tip: your white supremicist dream died in 1994. Deal with it and move on.Most civilised countries already have.

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Kradmelder wrote:

well lets wait and see what the 3rd world builds the UK into.

So far it is:

Riots and looting, for example 2011
ban pork from schools
mosques in airports
bombings and terrorism
race problems
white flight
coloured kids from single mothers

did I forget any?

i hope liberal enjoy the rainbow nation multiculti world they want. Im sure the their ancestors will be proud if their descendents are choclate brown

It's as though a person was created out of papier mache using only the Daily Fail...
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There are a good few other dodgy countries in Africa. And dodgy areas; but then that could be said of all countries really.
However, South Africa is one of the worst of Africa and reasonably it could be suggested that this is due to the problems with the 'white' rule.

As for England:
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Riots and looting, for example 2011 - plenty of 'white' people involved. Entitlement culture more, I'd say.
ban pork from schools - think this was due to white people's requests, not asians.
mosques in airports - they've had churches for longer. Our fault.
bombings and terrorism - we had that before too.
race problems - see above.
white flight
coloured kids from single mothers - and we have 'white kids' from single mothers. What difference does the colour make?


I think just saying the UK has always been a white christian nation and should remain that way answers the above. The fact that white christians fought for 1000 years to keep it that way should also say something. They certainly didnt want mosques and coloured descendants
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Is it just me, or does anyone else find the irony of a white man complaining about the presence of 'darkies' in Africa to be really quite delicious?


THIS MADE ME LOL! I too find it quite ironic!

Personally I have no issues with race or colour, I hate everyone equally! It isn't skin colour or religion that makes someone evil, its human nature and personality traits.
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Not had a big lot of serious Christianity for a while thankfully.

The fact that people have been brain washed for many years does not mean they should stay uneducated.

However, you might be surprised how far back many of the libertarian attitudes go back.

Remember we got rid of our more serious religious nutters to the mercan lands some time ago Wink.

Oh and talking about '1000 years' does no favours for the way you see your country Wink.
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I spent some years in Zimbabwe but refused to travel to RSA because of people like Kradmelder. BTW google his name and you may get a slight indication of his political alliances.
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