An end to the fuel crisis?

[daemonoid]

Maybe we won't need electric bikes after all:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22407-the-big-question-mark-over-gasoline-from-air.html

It's not a new idea, but it's good to know trials are being done. With a bit of investment and time we'll soon be sucking polluting out of the countryside and dumping it in the cities
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[Rogerborg]

This again? CO² + H²O + energy... oops.

With cheap, plentiful energy, pretty much anything is possible. Where does our energy come from? Let's ask the Department of Energy and (Jesus wept) "Climate Change":

Coal: 293,444
Gas: 275,591
Nuclear: 181,732
"Renewables": 14,696
Wind: 12,675
Hydro: 7,500
Oil: 4,023

Figures are for 2011 in GWh. I make that 72.6% coming from fossil fuels, 23% from nuclear, with all ecomental scams taken together managing just a token 4.4%, and that's including "renewables" i.e. burning random junk.

So, burning hydrocarbons to make electricity to make hydrocarbons. Well, derp.
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[daemonoid]

No no no, you've missed the point - these could have solar panels on top to produce half a litre of fuel per day!

Like the article said, it's not a new thing, but the stage 2 trial will be interesting.

If nothing else, it means us enthusiasts will be able to continue with our ICEs long after everyone else has switched to electric.
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[Rogerborg]

[daemonoid]

[TheSmiler]

[Spudly]

[Vracktal]

Heh, oh, look, it's this idea again.

Producing gasoline from air is an idea which has been suggested in various forms already, each time the same problem crops up; The laws of thermodynamics prevent it from producing more energy than you input in the first place, which means that any system based on our existing electrical supply infrastructure is an exercise in concept only.

To become truly viable it would need to be coupled with some form of high-capacity, renewable energy, either wind, solar, or as a best case scenario, perfected fusion technology (which is still some way off if it's even possible, and if it is then there are way more simple and feasible ways to synthesise hydrocarbons from our atmosphere using electricity which have already been suggested and proven to work, like the CR5 heat engine.)

So basically, we can't create a viable fuel synthesis model until we create a large-scale, viable renewable energy supply.

[Knightsy]

Won't happen as long as oil companies are around
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[LordShaftesbu...]

It's only been mooted as a way to store wind/wave/tide energy when production outstrips demand. So of negligible importance in the grand scheme of things.

[jjdugen]

I get the, you can't get more energy out than you put in idea, the reason, I was taught, that you can never have a feasable perpetual motion machine. So I accepted the lore and looked instead at ways of increasing efficiency.

Then it occured to me that there is one 'machine' that produces considerably more energy than is put in. Not qute a feasable energy source, but proof that excess energy CAN be produced. A nuclear bomb is not something you can put in your tank, I admitt, but it does give the lie to the wisdom that no machine can create more energy out than goes in.
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[LordShaftesbu...]

A nuclear bomb does not put out more energy than goes in, when you remember that matter is energy.

If only they could invent a machine that uses nuclear energy as a power source!

https://kidzcoolzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/nuclear-power-plant.jpg

[Rogerborg]

[weasley]

It's ok, because crude oil is not made of old fossils anyway, it's made of rocks.
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[jjdugen]

Matter is energy, agreed, everything has 'energy' at the atomic level, its releasing that energy economically that is the rub.
A nuclear bomb does have the overhead of producing fissionable matirial, but as this requires a reactor that itself produces energy, the energy cost of producing fissionable matirial is offset to a very large extent.
It is the one argument I have made that seems to shut up even pretty learned proffessors. I know I have hit a sore spot when they start becoming dismissive and generally finish the conversation abruptly.
That is a 'machine' that we can produce here on Earth, the sun has been doing a pretty good job of being an almost endless, renewable energy source almost since time began.
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[daemonoid]

[LordShaftesbu...]

[Rogerborg]

https://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/28847464.jpg

Throw the Heisenberg limit at some beard stroker spouting Zeno's dichotomy, now that's a laugh.
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[daemonoid]

[jjdugen]

OK, I'll plead my ignorance....... Lets see, a few pounds of fisile matirial, a few more pounds of shaped charge semtex, enough energy released to devastate a city the size of Londaon. Seems like a muliplyer to me......
I DO realise that its a fairly specious argument, but it did get me thinking.

Every piece of matter has a resonant frequency. Hit it with a targeted burst and it will shatter, or even explode. The problem with extracting hydrogen from water is that, with present technology, vast amounts of electrical current is required. I have not seen any work on trying to find the resoant frequency of H2O to try actually 'vibrating' the the constituant parts untill the hydrogen element is released.
If an opera singers voice can shatter glass, I am of the mind that high frequencies might be the way forward for hydrogen on demand.
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