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PostPosted: 17:29 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: CBT was pretty bad Reply with quote

Sad So turned up for my CBT really excited but it didn't go to plan, I did okay gear changing was smooth, bike control was okay but the helmet was extremely claustrophobic and really put me off so much so I chose not to go on the road ride and ended my day early...

I am quite disappointed but left feeling that maybe biking just isn't for me I didn't see this coming but what can you do, The way the helmet made me feel added a real feeling of vulnerability if I went on the road I am sure this would of got worse and I mite of started panicking.

The instructors said to book up straight away and get back on the bike etc... But am I the only one that has felt like this as a beginner or is biking really not for me??
By the way I am gutted to say the least Sad
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Invest £20 in an open face helmet and try again!

Open face hat. you dot have anything in-front of your face closing you in, no-where near as hot or claustrophobic.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sometimes get a similar thing when I first get on the bike and it's worse if you're not moving much because the airflow is severely reduced. I hardly ever have my visor down unless I'm going very fast or it is raining or there are a lot of flies.

Try an open face lid instead. Nowhere near as bad in that respect although they still impinge a little on your peripheral vision.

Or if you're worried about face protection (which is minimal at best anyway) leave the visor up and wear safety glasses or maybe try a motocross style helmet which has the chinbar much further away from your face. Or would you feel better if you had a flip-front lid that you know you can open quickly?
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

on the road its much better open your visor and pin it
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was like a guy who was doing their CBT with me, he pinned up the visor and wore sun glasses.

I'd go back and try that, then I'd be stumped if that didn't work.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never like wearing my helmet indoor's feels weird...

Keep going at it, don't give up Thumbs Up

Try riding with your visor up Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You bought a YBR before you'd put a helmet on? Confused

Get down to the local bike shop and try some on, you'll find one to suit. I got myself a full face and a cheap open face when I started out, and chopped and changed until I'd found what I was happy with[*]. They feel very different, it's well worth experiencing them both.

Visor up is also good - I'd suggest getting some wraparound sports / cycling glasses with foam backing that seal well around your eyes.

[*] A flip front...
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You bought a YBR before you'd put a helmet on? Confused

Get down to the local bike shop and try some on, you'll find one to suit. I got myself a full face and a cheap open face when I started out, and chopped and changed until I'd found what I was happy with[*]. They feel very different, it's well worth experiencing them both.

Visor up is also good - I'd suggest getting some wraparound sports / cycling glasses with foam backing that seal well around your eyes.

[*] A flip front...

I bought the helmet first but I didn't wear it for long periods of time until today, The main problem I had with the claustrophobia was around my neck with the straps and the limited vision which again didn't realise until today...I am considering an open face but having no face protection puts me off, I feel so defeated and to be honest a bit down.
Also what didn't help is the jacket I bought one of the guys in the shop helped me pick it out and said it was a good fit as all the pads are in place but its far too tight so as you can imagine really added to the intensity and again wearing the jacket ten minutes here or there seemed okay until today.
Plus today was silly hot so this didn't help either.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most jackets have Velcro tightening straps....might be worth seeing if you can loosen those, might help. Mine has them on the side around the waist and the arms.

With Regards the helmet, did you try it with the visor up? To be honest the first time I wore a helmet I hated it, but after a couple of wears you just get used to it.

Personally I think you should have forced yourself onto the road ride. I mean, I used to be a bit like you, when faced with situations I wasn't comfortable with I'd tend to shy away from them...but I've learnt over the years that the best way to deal with your fears is to just bite the bullet and hit them head on. You more often than not look back and think 'what was I so worried about?'

With your helmet, try wearing it for a couple of hours round the house or in the garden....you'll be surprised how quickly you get used to wearing it.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Retro Creps wrote:
Also didn't help is the jacket I bought one of the guys in the shop helped me pick it out and said it was a good fit as all the pads are in place but its far too tight so as you can imagine really added to the intensity and again wearing the jacket ten minutes here or there seemed okay until today.
Plus today was silly hot so this didn't help either.


Is it a leather jacket? If so it will ease over time as you wear it. Mine was quite a tight fit at first - I just wore it around the house at first for a day or two, it helped the leather give a bit. When I came to do the CBT it had worn in a little, which helped as they day was a scorcher.

Don't give up, dust yourself off and try again. One of my mates did his CBT and was really nervy and tense, uncomforatble on the bike and convinced it wasn't for him. He did all the stuff before going out on the road ok but his instructor said he wasn't ready for the road. He went back the next day and did his road section with no worries. He said things just seemed to sink in overnight.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to agree with some of the above, first time I wore a helmet I was very claustrophobic, I had to take it off a few times and undo the straps in a panic to prove to myself I -could- take it off when I wanted >_<

But now it only bothers me indoors, visor up and everything's ok. When riding around I prefer visor down but whatever suits you. It's definitely something you will get used to, and quickly. On my CBT I was too excited about riding a bike to care!
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Retro Creps wrote:

The main problem I had with the claustrophobia was around my neck with the strap


What straps from the helmet were round your neck? Confused Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay my bad not round my neck so much but under my chin but around that area I find it very uncomfortable because its near my throat.
The jacket isn't leather its some snazzy waterproof sheltex shiz but the problem with the jacket is I'm only 5"7 but I'm a body builder so whilst its a perfect fit with pads in place its very very tight around my shoulders, arms, back and chest but the larger jackets the pads were not in place.

I know this is something I will have to push myself through its going to take more time than I originally thought but I would rather be safe and confident in what I'm doing, I understand that facing your fears head on is an affective way to deal with it but with me fear leads to hesitating an that is dangerous on the road which is why I'm feeling the slow approach to this one.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CBT didn't go well and you're disappointed, not to worry because loads of people have a nightmare CBT, but they come back... just forget about "failing" and not getting out on the road that day, practice wearing your helmet and IF you really don't get on with it, buy one that you can get along with.. honestly, as far as problems go, this one isn't really that bad, there's no reason why you cannot carry on.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Retro Creps wrote:
Okay my bad not round my neck so much but under my chin but around that area I find it very uncomfortable because its near my throat.
The jacket isn't leather its some snazzy waterproof sheltex shiz but the problem with the jacket is I'm only 5"7 but I'm a body builder so whilst its a perfect fit with pads in place its very very tight around my shoulders, arms, back and chest but the larger jackets the pads were not in place.

I know this is something I will have to push myself through its going to take more time than I originally thought but I would rather be safe and confident in what I'm doing, I understand that facing your fears head on is an affective way to deal with it but with me fear leads to hesitating an that is dangerous on the road which is why I'm feeling the slow approach to this one.


You'll be surprised how well we humans cope when under pressure/stress. When I did my CBT when it got to the road ride I was shitting myself, I didn't at all feel like I was safe enough to go on the road, I didn't feel like I'd grasped it all and thought it was madness for someone who's had barely a couple of hours on a bike to be venturing out onto the road, but I did it and I'm so glad I did, cos truthfully, its not that daunting once you're out there. You have the instructor in front of you leading the way and him in your ear guiding you along...its a lot easier than you think once you get out there.

With regards your jacket....does it have an inner lining that zips out? If you take that out it may loosen things up a tad.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough. Are you sitting with your helmet on just now? If not, why not? I did, much to the resigned amusement of Mrs Borg. Rolling Eyes

Motocross helmets are airier, and you should be able to take the peak off for road use. However, the Wulfsport one I tried had a weird bendy visor that created visual artifacts. Still straps under your chin though, you're just going to have to get used that.

Flip front is worth a try as well, if it's the feeling of being trapped that's getting to you. It's great to be able to just flip it up while you're stopped. You'll doubtless be told that it's illegal to ride with it flipped up (because most of them are only be homologated in the closed position), but as far as I can see, there's nothing in the regulations that actually makes it an offence.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I did, much to the resigned amusement of Mrs Borg. Rolling Eyes


There's a Mrs Borg????! Oh no! Shocked

Seriously though OP, I have only been riding for a few weeks and for most of them I have been shit scared. I have been determined to overcome this, because I know that it is worth doing, and when I get it right, it's fab.

You can only make the fear go away over time. Even then it will return occasionally. It's how you know you're alive. Acknowledge how you are feeling, let it ride alongside you, but don't let it stop you from achieving what you set out to do. Most of my regrets so far are for things I didn't do when I had the opportunity, rather than for things I tried and was crap at.

As for the helmet, wear it around the house. I did that and it really helped. It loosens with time and you get used to it.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work in an indoor karting centre and find this happens quite a lot. People often feel claustrophobic with helmets on, I've seen a few just refuse to do the session because of it but most just grin and bear it. After the first 10 minute session they never normally really complain much. I have had them tell me they don't want to wear the strap done, or the balaclava, but me being me I insist they have to... force them to if you will cos otherwise the session wouldn't go ahead... They do it and end up forgetting about it.
Only you will be able to tell if biking is for you or not, but I personally think you done the right thing by not going out for the road ride because if you're scared and severely uncomfortable you will end up panicking and making every little thing worse, including your judgement. That said, I'd say try to get as many carpark sessions as it takes for you to feel more comfortable and see how it goes from there.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a small suggestion.would a pillion ride help build up your feelings with the helmet?you can then ride round withnit ope/n and closed to get a proper feel on the road Very Happy im sure your instructor can help Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Midlife Crisis Woman wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
I did, much to the resigned amusement of Mrs Borg. Rolling Eyes

There's a Mrs Borg????! Oh no! Shocked

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Midlife Crisis Woman wrote:
You can only make the fear go away over time. Even then it will return occasionally. It's how you know you're alive. Acknowledge how you are feeling, let it ride alongside you, but don't let it stop you from achieving what you set out to do. Most of my regrets so far are for things I didn't do when I had the opportunity, rather than for things I tried and was crap at.

What MCW said: Man The Fuck Up. Paraphrasing slightly.

You will get used to it if you wear it. You'll actually start to feel protected by it, which is really a Bad Thing. That's why it's worthwhile trying an open face as well to enjoy the sensation of vulnerability, and being more engaged with what's going on around you.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was me I would try wearing the helmet around the house until I was used to it.

There is a lot to take in on a CBT, and if your mind is all over the place at the same time you are trying to get used to the helmet it won't help.

Maybe try playing Gran Turismo with it on. (I am being serious) after a while you will almost forget you are wearing it as your concentration will be elsewhere.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

What MCW said: Man The Fuck Up. .


That is NOT what I said, Mr B!

Being brave is not about not being scared. It is about overcoming fear.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's about having a cold cup of man the fuck up.

So drink up, cupcake, It's only a helmet.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Open faced, closed faced, all the same to me, the only difference being that a closed face keeps my chin and eyes from getting cold on a cold day.

But now my ex biker gang uncle is giving me stick for having a closed faced one so I may cave in to the peer pressure and go the badass route, hah!

To be fair, open-faced is way more free, just it's a fair deal more to consider when it comes to adverse weather. I started out riding in Australia and had an open faced helmet there. It was summer when I bought it, but then winter set in and it was 2 degrees in the mornings, plus the odd rain shower. Come to think of it, I got pretty good experience of riding in horrible weather. Why do I now have a closed helmet? Time to de-restrict my face! HELLO WINTER! Hahaaa
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say when i did my CBT last year i used a borrowed helmet that was far too big...even with the strap done up tight it didn't press on my throat and it felt like at any speed whatsoever it might flip back and the chin area come up over my eyes!

I invested in a helmet for my tests, tried several on before i found one that felt really comfortable and i've never looked back...when it's on and done up it doesn't feel like it's around my throat and it doesn't wobble on my head when riding.

In fact i feel more secure and confident when i'm wearing it as a result...so my advice is get out and about to the dealers/accessory shops and try loads of different helmets, i think you'll be pleasantly surprised when you find 'the one' Wink
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